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Re: Getting confused on this !

Post by _Chris_ » Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:27 pm

Okay, I've installed portable MM Gold onto the ext hd, but when opening up that version, I can't see a way to import the playlists from the other version?

Re: Getting confused on this !

Post by _Chris_ » Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:07 pm

dannyno wrote:Your symptoms, to make this as clear as possible, point to you having installed MM twice on two different computers. This probably means you have two mm.db files, which you will probably find in the default location on each machine.

You have your music on an external hard-drive, and you have told MM to look at that to find your files. So far so good.

However, playlists are I believe actually stored (unless exported) in MM.db. So if you create playlists on Machine A, Machine B won't know anything about them. And any changes to the playlists on Machine A won't be known to Machine B.

There seem to be a few solutions to this.

You can install MM portably on your external hard drive, and run exclusively from that. So your MM.DB, the MM executable file, and all your music files are on the hard-drive.

Or you can move mm.db to your external hard drive, and tell the .ini file on each machine where to find it (local installations, shared mm.db). Again, any problems with inconsistent driver letters/ID/whatever could break this.

Or you can make sure the MM.DB on your two machines is kept in sync. You could keep the master and backups on your external hard drive, and copy it to the PC you want to use MM on, then back again after making changes. Bit of a pain, maybe, but it would work. You can get software to do all the moving around for you.

I do the latter, but also have a portable installation of MM on an external drive. It works fine, though perhaps it's a bit fussy.

Thanks Danny - the continued help (and patience) is appreciated. Sorry it's taken so long to get back on this, I'm working 12-14 hours a day at the moment ;-(

I think I'd like to go for installing the portable version on the ext hd, BUT, if I install that there, would it alter anything MM related on the ext hd please? For example, playlists?

Re: Getting confused on this !

Post by dannyno » Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:08 pm

Your symptoms, to make this as clear as possible, point to you having installed MM twice on two different computers. This probably means you have two mm.db files, which you will probably find in the default location on each machine.

You have your music on an external hard-drive, and you have told MM to look at that to find your files. So far so good.

However, playlists are I believe actually stored (unless exported) in MM.db. So if you create playlists on Machine A, Machine B won't know anything about them. And any changes to the playlists on Machine A won't be known to Machine B.

There seem to be a few solutions to this.

You can install MM portably on your external hard drive, and run exclusively from that. So your MM.DB, the MM executable file, and all your music files are on the hard-drive.

Or you can move mm.db to your external hard drive, and tell the .ini file on each machine where to find it (local installations, shared mm.db). Again, any problems with inconsistent driver letters/ID/whatever could break this.

Or you can make sure the MM.DB on your two machines is kept in sync. You could keep the master and backups on your external hard drive, and copy it to the PC you want to use MM on, then back again after making changes. Bit of a pain, maybe, but it would work. You can get software to do all the moving around for you.

I do the latter, but also have a portable installation of MM on an external drive. It works fine, though perhaps it's a bit fussy.

Re: Getting confused on this !

Post by Lowlander » Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:36 pm

_Chris_ wrote:Okay, where's the default location?
See: http://www.mediamonkey.com/support/inde ... ticleid=17

Re: Getting confused on this !

Post by _Chris_ » Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:00 pm

nohitter151 wrote:
_Chris_ wrote:
dannyno wrote:It's a month ago so the thought process has gone stale. Looking back, I see I was asking where your MM.DB file was stored.

Dan

Thanks Dan, how do I find out please?

If you don't know where it is, then it should be at the default location.

Unless you installed MM in portable mode.

Okay, where's the default location?

Re: Getting confused on this !

Post by nohitter151 » Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:16 pm

_Chris_ wrote:
dannyno wrote:It's a month ago so the thought process has gone stale. Looking back, I see I was asking where your MM.DB file was stored.

Dan

Thanks Dan, how do I find out please?

If you don't know where it is, then it should be at the default location.

Unless you installed MM in portable mode.

Re: Getting confused on this !

Post by _Chris_ » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:18 pm

dannyno wrote:It's a month ago so the thought process has gone stale. Looking back, I see I was asking where your MM.DB file was stored.

Dan

Thanks Dan, how do I find out please?

Re: Getting confused on this !

Post by dannyno » Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:39 pm

It's a month ago so the thought process has gone stale. Looking back, I see I was asking where your MM.DB file was stored.

Dan

Re: Getting confused on this !

Post by _Chris_ » Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:05 am

dannyno wrote:
_Chris_ wrote:Thanks all for the input - it's all appreciated. A prime example, is yesterday on my external hard drive via my laptop, I was rearranging two of the playlists, all good so far, then, today, on the extrenal hard drive, via the desktop, the playlists shows no changes?!?!?


Can you clarify any of the points from my last post?

There was a few questions and am not too sure on the mechanics of it all, so please just ask one question at a time and we'll go from there. Many thanks.

Re: Getting confused on this !

Post by dannyno » Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:15 am

_Chris_ wrote:Thanks all for the input - it's all appreciated. A prime example, is yesterday on my external hard drive via my laptop, I was rearranging two of the playlists, all good so far, then, today, on the extrenal hard drive, via the desktop, the playlists shows no changes?!?!?


Can you clarify any of the points from my last post?

Re: Getting confused on this !

Post by _Chris_ » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:36 pm

Thanks all for the input - it's all appreciated. A prime example, is yesterday on my external hard drive via my laptop, I was rearranging two of the playlists, all good so far, then, today, on the extrenal hard drive, via the desktop, the playlists shows no changes?!?!?

Re: Getting confused on this !

Post by dannyno » Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:22 am

Playlists are stored in the database aren't they? So they do have all the problems associated with wrong paths, drive letters etc.

I guess the question for _Chris_ is where exactly their db is?

It's a bit puzzling, because I just noticed that in the initial edit, _Chris_ said "All tracks, playlists, db and MM all installed on the external hd", but then later said "I'm on MM Gold paid for and on both systems."

I have been responding based on the latter, but perhaps irrelevantly if the former is actually the case.

Perhaps _Chris_ can clarify?

The symptoms sound like either separate DB files in local installations based on externally stored files, or else a DB on an external drive where the drive name/letter is not consistent between machines accessing it.

Re: Getting confused on this !

Post by Lowlander » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:52 am

Are the Playlists AutoPlaylists that are criteria based and may have Path criteria? Another possibility is that a different DB is picked up (a local install one).

Re: Getting confused on this !

Post by dannyno » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:49 am

If you have MM installed separately on each PC, then perhaps the problem is that you are picking up separate settings, in local files?

The advantage of the portable install onto your hard-drive is that you can ensure that everything is the same wherever you plug in your external hard drive.

I had similar difficulties with MM installed on more than one computer, as the settings etc were never completely the same. Then I bought a NAS and installed MM portably onto it. My computer and laptop now each have a desktop link that points to mediamonkey.exe as installed on the NAS and I have exactly the same setup wherever I happen to be. Nothing is otherwise installed on the computers.

I had no particular problems moving my pre-existing non-portable-created database (always available to all computers on the network anyway on a shared drive) onto the NAS, other than I obviously had to update the location of the files.

I dimly remember something about exporting and importing playlists, but I'm not sure about that or whether it was related to portable installation (I did have separate playlists in my separate MM installations).

I haven't tried installing MM portably onto an external drive, but if you have a spare hard drive, why not experiment a bit? Put 10 tracks on it, install MM portable, build the database. Then try plugging it into different computers and running MM from it.

If that works, then I reckon you could comfortably download MM portably onto your hard drive, make sure the DB (back it up!) is in the right place to be found by it, and go ahead and see what happens. Everything is then in one place. What could possibly go wrong?

Re: Getting confused on this !

Post by nohitter151 » Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:21 pm

_Chris_ wrote:Also, does anyone know why, when plugging an external hard drive into one computer, then later on another computer, the playlists are different??? I'm on MM Gold paid for and on both systems, the os is win xp pro.

If I knew why the above was happening, it would help me to understand the problem more and maybe I or someone else here would know a quick fix?

Any help much appreciated.

Chris

The playlists are different how?

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