[quote="MusicBringer"]

The trouble is I cannot correct/change the automatic Recently Added Content playlist which refuses to sort in track order.[/quote]
Those playlists are static, the sorting we're talking about here only applies to auto-playlists.

[quote="Lowlander"]If you want to sort on Added, but maintain the Album Track order use Added > Album > Track#.[/quote]
Thanks. That is what I needed for my custom made Recently Added playlist.

The trouble is I cannot correct/change the automatic Recently Added Content playlist which refuses to sort in track order.

Hi all, I'm new here and fairly new to MM. The sort has been bugging me and this thread came up in a google search. Hate to revive the thread but thought someone may be able to help. My issue relates to #1 from the previous post.

[quote]1. Using the sort criteria Added Z..A, Album A..Z, Track # A..Z, the sort works as expected. The tracks are in order of date added (time ignored) then in alphabetical order of album name per date (in correct track order)[/quote]

This sort is not working properly for me. It seems to have no effect when adding the additional sort of album and track, it still displays the track is descending order. I have version 4.0.5.2496 - regular version.

[quote="Niglin"]Great job of actually belaboring the issue, I've never seen anything quite like it.[/quote]
You're the one causing the trouble here. You refuse to listen to reason on this topic. Here are the facts:

1. Using the sort criteria Added Z..A, Album A..Z, Track # A..Z, the sort works as expected. The tracks are in order of date added (time ignored) then in alphabetical order of album name per date (in correct track order)

2. This special sort method is necessary (and was added in a previous version of MediaMonkey 4) because the "Added" field accounts not only for the date added but also the individual time, per track, down to the exact second it was added to the library.

3. What you want is a sort order where the albums are listed in correct track order, but in the exact order that they were added to the library. [size=150]This is not possible.[/size]

The only way to do such a thing would be to sort by "Added", but rather than ignore the "time" component, just ignore the "seconds" part. That way albums added at a different time could still be in the correct order of import. But even then it's an imperfect solution. What about the case where you added several different albums within the same exact minute? In that case you'd have the same problem that you're describing in this thread. What about a case where you import an album, and half of the tracks were imported at 12:01 and the other half imported at 12:02? In that case the second half of the album would display in front of the first half.

Great job of actually belaboring the issue, I've never seen anything quite like it.

[quote]It would seem you may be asking to only sort on date hour:minute and that those files with the same date hour:minute are sorted on track#. This isn't possible as either you sort on date hour:minute:seconds (and possibly milliseconds) or you sort on date and within an Album ignore the date sort and sort on Album > Track#.[/quote]

hmm... I don't understand the requirement either. Maybe a description of how this would be of benefit would help or perhaps a link to a discussion of the issue on iTunes :-?

[quote]
It's down to a matter of preference, & as was suggested by support, it's being addressed for 1.05.1481+ stable release(s), to my understanding.[/quote]

I think that there may have been some miscommunication--the only remaining bugs targeted for 4.0.5 are [url=http://tinyurl.com/6r6pukk]listed here[/url] (and in fact there's no open bug for the issue you describe since we're still unclear of the need/benefit). :(

Thanks.

-Rusty

To me that seems a really strange sort preference as you will end up with tracks on albums not sorted in album order due to different Added times.

It's down to a matter of preference, & as was suggested by support, it's being addressed for 1.05.1481+ stable release(s), to my understanding. MM is limited in this aspect as is Itunes, sadly, as I suspected. There needs to exist a sort variant to address this issue. If you google the same for Itunes, you will see a great many gripes about this shortcoming.

I really don't follow.[quote="Niglin"]but why are whole albums added on the same date not in sequence in order of time?[/quote]That is the case when you sort only on Added. Note that Added is a full date including seconds (which aren't shown).

So if you want files to show on date added it will do so by just sorting on added, but it takes the second the file was added to MediaMonkey into account (and each file is added at a slightly different time). This means that files are sorted in reverse in many cases as the last track was added first.

It would seem you may be asking to only sort on date hour:minute and that those files with the same date hour:minute are sorted on track#. This isn't possible as either you sort on date hour:minute:seconds (and possibly milliseconds) or you sort on date and within an Album ignore the date sort and sort on Album > Track#.

If that's the case you can't do what you're looking for and I don't understand why you're looking to do this sort (as it would break album sort)?

Understand Lowlander, what you said makes sense, but why are whole albums added on the same date not in sequence in order of time? I've tried the 'Added, and then the Album', also the 'Added, Album and Track #, as in the screenshot, makes no difference. Thanks guys.

[img]http://i36.fastpic.ru/big/2012/0430/31/14fcc1c1f14226ad40745c2b6ff4cd31.jpg[/img]


[img]http://i35.fastpic.ru/big/2012/0430/02/de4e049ff78f61ddc7b439fd4927b802.jpg[/img]

I'm starting to wonder if you're seeking:

Track# - Added
1 - 1/1/2012 14:56
2 - 1/1/2012 14:56
3 - 1/1/2012 14:56
4 - 1/1/2012 14:55
5 - 1/1/2012 14:55

to be sorted as
4 - 1/1/2012 14:55
5 - 1/1/2012 14:55
1 - 1/1/2012 14:56
2 - 1/1/2012 14:56
3 - 1/1/2012 14:56

Because that isn't possible, using Added > Album > Track# will sort as shown in the first set even though track 4 & 5 were added earlier.

Hi Niglin,

I know you're losing patience here, but getting back to the problem, I'm still confused about what the problem is, and would genuinely like to fix it. According to the [url=http://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=5215]bug[/url], and per the screenshot shown by nohitter in this thread corroborated by my own verification of the functionality, the problem that autoplaylists fail to display tracks by track order as a consequence of being sorted by date-time added has a workaround that was implemented and works.

Based on your descriptions it sounds as if that workaround isn't working for you. Can you post a screenshot that clearly illustrates this (the existing screencap shows a sort by Added 2x, instead of by Added and then by Album) ? Better yet, if you can take a few minutes, a video with audio commentary would probably be even more helpful -- you can share one to the forum via http://www.techsmith.com/download/jing/ (I know this is asking a lot, but it would probably eliminate all of the confusion).

Thanks.

-Rusty

Well buddy, you pissed me off with your non native english speaking demeanor. You're in Canada now right? I don't think I need to speak to this any further, as I'm sure you know what I'm getting at. I'm sorry you feel like you're being attacked; how do you think I feel? Your previous responses were quite abrupt, if not blunt, and I'm not the only one who's noticed. BTW; everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Not everybody is a native English speaker, I certainly am not. It's telltale that you choose to attack people. So far it isn't understood what you're looking for and as you're unwilling to explain I can't help which I'm doing as one user to another user. I'm trying to be helpful, I'm trying to understand what you seek, so far it makes no sense as it would seem all possible variations of what you could seek have been covered. This seems to be not the case, but you choose to attack people instead of trying to explain what it is you're seeking.

I'm not gonna even attempt to patronize here... Can't be done, thanks, finally a straight answer, assuming your an authority on the matter, which I don't. Please, don't attempt to put this back on me, I certainly hope your not affiliated with Media Monkey in anyway. I mean the fact you don't comprehend, and can't make sense of this is telltale, that your literary skills are somewhat in question. Maybe in the future, recipients should refrain from using $10 words, so as not to baffle you, or do you have some other issues? There are many online dictionaries where you can look these perplexing words up, so there really is no excuse.

Personally, I'm somewhat frustrated. I'd previously created a ticket for Ventis Media, & they got back to me earlier today. The tech. said they are aware of this, as a current issue, a shortcoming, if you will, and they are working on it. So what say you to that Lowguy? Next time save someone a hassle, learn a thing, and be upfront in the beginning. If you don't know the answer admit it, or don't comment, rather than wasting peoples time. :x