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Re: MM vs iPod160....MM loses

by Lowlander » Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:34 am

It depends a lot on the quality settings for the conversion. Depending on your use you often don't need to have the best quality settings (double blind test found 192Kbps to sound the same as anything better than that).

Re: MM vs iPod160....MM loses

by hamiltonian » Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:44 am

poobah wrote:...
So how long should it take to sync? I have just over 11000 songs on a NAS server in FLAC format. I'm using MM4 to convert FLAC to MP4 (quality set to 100%) and send to 160gb Ipod. All seems to work well, but it takes about 1hr to copy 130 files? at this rate it will take over 3 days to finish. Is this about right? I'm on a 3Ghz dual pentium, 4Gb Ram, USB 2.0, and Gigabit ethernet with a 4Tb Terastation. Is this about normal ?

I've just done a similar exercise - 300Gb of Flac took approx 36 hours to covert to high VBR mp3, doing the 'on the fly' compression. That's a a dual-core Dell XPS laptop. If I'd known it would take that long, I'd have done the conversion locally to disk first.
so yes, about right. remember, you're converting a LOT of data!

Re: MM vs iPod160....MM loses

by Lowlander » Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:12 am

As you upgraded to a newer version you may want to wipe the iPod again as some users report this helps when syncing devices.

Re: MM vs iPod160....MM loses

by rrfpacker » Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:57 am

It would be nice if MM saved the converted file for future downloads, but it doesn't.
You could convert them on your PC and then they would be ready to go whenever you wanted them. Just a thought, even though it would take up more space on your computer.

Re: MM vs iPod160....MM loses

by captainmcl » Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:43 am

markeh wrote:Well the latest version 4.0.3.1476) seems to be an improvement. Music, especially playlists, now reliably sync. Album covers get out of sync all of the time, but I guess I will just have to live with that - the design of the new iPod makes them pretty useless anyway.

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That was my problem. A particular list (i.e. genre, playlist) would come up with the same art for multiple albums by different artists. Made it near impossible to use without reading every entry. I returned the iPod. I really wish Sansa would just come out with a 32GB and a 64GB Fuze!

Re: MM vs iPod160....MM loses

by markeh » Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:47 pm

markeh wrote:Its become clear that MM works poorly with my new iPod160 7th gen. It kind of works, some of the time... a long list of problems (below).

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MM version 3.2.5.1306, 56,530 files
iPod version 2.0.4 PC (latest) 11,280 tracks
iTunes 2.1.1.14 (latest)
WinXP
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Well the latest version 4.0.3.1476) seems to be an improvement. Music, especially playlists, now reliably sync. Album covers get out of sync all of the time, but I guess I will just have to live with that - the design of the new iPod makes them pretty useless anyway.

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Re: MM vs iPod160....MM loses

by markeh » Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:42 pm

poobah wrote:So how long should it take to sync? I have just over 11000 songs on a NAS server in FLAC format. I'm using MM4 to convert FLAC to MP4 (quality set to 100%) and send to 160gb Ipod. All seems to work well, but it takes about 1hr to copy 130 files? at this rate it will take over 3 days to finish. Is this about right? I'm on a 3Ghz dual pentium, 4Gb Ram, USB 2.0, and Gigabit ethernet with a 4Tb Terastation. Is this about normal ?
I don't know what "normal" is. My guess is that its not the copy to the ipod, but the conversion from FLAC. Probably a couple of limitations - dual Pentium (I think this is an older CPU), and bandwidth limitations to the NAS storage. If the iPod is on a USB hub, you might want to attach it directly and see if that makes a difference.

I have the "gold" version of which claims it can use all of the CPU cores - in my case MM thinks it has 8. I'm not sure how efficient this actually is, but in theory more cores should allow better parallelism and be faster since the conversions are completely independent.

It would be nice if MM saved the converted file for future downloads, but it doesn't.

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Re: MM vs iPod160....MM loses

by rrfpacker » Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:15 pm

I'm sorry I can't help you with your issue. I have only mp3 files so I don't have to go thru the conversion process; I'm guessing that process takes a while. However, if I were to sync all 12,000 tracks it takes about four hours on three year old Vista laptop.

Re: MM vs iPod160....MM loses

by poobah » Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:55 pm

rrfpacker wrote:I have an iPod 160g and flawlessly sync with MM4, matter of fact just did so twice yesterday to clear up an auto-playlist problem. I have over 70 playlists (most over 100 tracks) on mine, the latest of which has over 11,000 tracks and many others over 1,000. I wonder if it isn't the iPod. I'm running MM4 version 4.0.3.1476.

I know I didn't help, but maybe upgrading to latest version will help.

So how long should it take to sync? I have just over 11000 songs on a NAS server in FLAC format. I'm using MM4 to convert FLAC to MP4 (quality set to 100%) and send to 160gb Ipod. All seems to work well, but it takes about 1hr to copy 130 files? at this rate it will take over 3 days to finish. Is this about right? I'm on a 3Ghz dual pentium, 4Gb Ram, USB 2.0, and Gigabit ethernet with a 4Tb Terastation. Is this about normal ?

Re: MM vs iPod160....MM loses

by captainmcl » Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:02 pm

Thanks. It's heartening to hear of your success. Unfortunately the audiobook thing was a non-negotiable for me as well. Darn apple. Why can't we all just play nice?? :(

Re: MM vs iPod160....MM loses

by rrfpacker » Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:29 am

captainmcl wrote:rrfpacker, it sounds like you're quite successful with the iPod Classic. I got one a year ago but had such trouble with synching -- album art all messed up, and the iPod didn't recognize or handle audiobooks correctly -- so I returned it. Were those known previous issues that have since been resolved? That would be good news... maybe worth looking at the Classic again before it's laid to rest!
I have been successful with the iPod. I received it as a gift last November and synced it easily with MM3, however I only use it for music. I only had one problem with my first sync; the album art was all mixed up. Subsequent syncs have been fine and I've synced numerous times with MM4. Not sure what to say to all of you having issues with it. The originator of this thread has so many problems it makes me think the iPod is to blame, but he hasn't posted since he started the thread.
Were those known previous issues that have since been resolved?


I don't know as I didn't follow any threads concerning iPods until I got one. As Lowlander says, there are no known issues at this time and I think that has been the case for a while.

Re: MM vs iPod160....MM loses

by captainmcl » Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:49 pm

rrfpacker, it sounds like you're quite successful with the iPod Classic. I got one a year ago but had such trouble with synching -- album art all messed up, and the iPod didn't recognize or handle audiobooks correctly -- so I returned it. Were those known previous issues that have since been resolved? That would be good news... maybe worth looking at the Classic again before it's laid to rest!

Re: MM vs iPod160....MM loses

by Lowlander » Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:15 am

There is no known issue with 4.0.3 if you do experience one send a debug log (step 4b) to support: http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=69

Re: MM vs iPod160....MM loses

by rrfpacker » Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:02 am

I have an iPod 160g and flawlessly sync with MM4, matter of fact just did so twice yesterday to clear up an auto-playlist problem. I have over 70 playlists (most over 100 tracks) on mine, the latest of which has over 11,000 tracks and many others over 1,000. I wonder if it isn't the iPod. I'm running MM4 version 4.0.3.1476.

I know I didn't help, but maybe upgrading to latest version will help.

Re: MM vs iPod160....MM loses

by telliott » Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:26 pm

Anything new in the 5+ months since I wrote the last post or are the MM developers not in a hurry to address the issues with a device that seems to be at the end of it's life as a new product.

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