Genre Finder 5.0 - Updated 05/08/2012

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Re: Genre Finder 5.0 - Updated 05/08/2012

Post by Lowlander » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:29 am

Guest wrote:Either I did this wrong
You need to use the whitelist or blacklist to filter which Genre's can be used.

Re: Genre Finder 5.0 - Updated 05/08/2012

Post by Guest » Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:20 am

The script updated my genre list from 128 to over 700 genres...of which many were clearly incorrect.
The album name or other useless information was populated and now I have to spend many hours to removed genres such as:

Catchy
Catchy as Hell
One out of ten
two out of ten
three out of ten....etc
Chilled Out
Claaaaap your hands....

Either I did this wrong or possibly the source genre listings at the web site are not current.

I suggest testing a subset of your songs first to determine if it works correctly.

A

Re: Genre Finder 5.0 - Updated 05/08/2012

Post by nohitter151 » Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:02 pm

RayeGunn wrote:That's why I said a small list, because genre is subjective, but some of the tags that pop up just aren't related to genre at all, they're more related to one person's interaction with the music, or personal taste, and they would not apply to anyone else at all.

Problem is you can also use this script on other fields like "Mood" and "Occasion", and a lot of the blacklisted items you listed might very well fall into these other categories.

Re: Genre Finder 5.0 - Updated 05/08/2012

Post by emagin » Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:29 pm

Good points.
I was liking the whitelist idea because, theoretically, we could leverage some kind of genre list standards -- maybe from Last.fm or discog -- and then let er rip.

I tend to use GF as a way of rapidly cleaning up all the genre-less items in my lists. That can be many and I only want to update it fast so that I can then use XBMC to play auto-playlists based on genre, and don't want to miss good songs.
Perhaps a bit peculiar of a need, but I guess that genre / playlist playing would be a frequent use case in MM as well.

Re: Genre Finder 5.0 - Updated 05/08/2012

Post by RayeGunn » Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:02 am

That's why I said a small list, because genre is subjective, but some of the tags that pop up just aren't related to genre at all, they're more related to one person's interaction with the music, or personal taste, and they would not apply to anyone else at all. True that some would prefer a whitelist rather than a blacklist, though. (I ended up kinda leaning that way myself but I had put so much work into the blacklist at that point!) but the whitelist would end up being even more subjective than a blacklist.

Anyway, I personally didn't want years (20s, 30s etc.) or country of origin, but some people might, so nevermind those, but these are from the blacklist I created, and I don't think the following would be subjective (at least in terms of 'is this a genre?') at all:

Seen Live
Cool
Awesome (and some variations like 'Totally Awesome' and 'Simply Awesome')
Best Band Ever
Favorite (and Favourite, Favourites, Favourite Band, etc.)
Genius
<3
Beautiful
Mistagged
Insightful
Epic
Feel Good Music
Amazing (and several variations like, I dunno if swearing is allowed on the forums, but F---ing Amazing and F---ing-Amazing)
Quirky
Under 2000 Listeners
Home Collection
Calm
Simphony (a shockingly common misspelling)
Complete Score
Love It
Sad
Sexy
Fun
Other
CDs I Own (or Albums I Own)

a little iffy:
Brutal (iffy since 'Brutal Death Metal' could be considered a genre, for instance, but...)
Vocalist(s)
Singer(s)

Do with that what you will, at the very least it may help some people putting together their own blacklist.

oh... are wildcards possible? like "Favo*" would get both Favorite and Favourite? never thought to check that.

Re: Genre Finder 5.0 - Updated 05/08/2012

Post by emagin » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:54 pm

Thanks @RayGunne for that recent clarification of how this works.
I was wondering why I was getting so many bogus genres when doing the tagging.
So I will start my own blacklist I guess, but I would vote for a whitelist.
It seems easier to work with a scoped Genre list.

Re: Genre Finder 5.0 - Updated 05/08/2012

Post by trixmoto » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:56 am

I'm glad you've found the script useful, and thank you for the suggestions, they're always welcome.

1) I can do this as a default, but it's hard to know whether more users prefer to use a whitelist or a blacklist, so it's hard to know what default would be best. Genre's are very subjective, after all.

2) That does sound like a bug, I'll investigate that.

3) I've double checked the code and it definitely uppercases both the value in the list, and the potential value, when it's checking both the white and black lists, so there should be no case sensitivity issues. If you're sure this is happening, post an example and I'll take a look.

Re: Genre Finder 5.0 - Updated 05/08/2012

Post by RayeGunn » Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:32 pm

Just added this, and have some suggestions. It works great, got it all set up, but I think it should come with a default blacklist, just a small one, of some things that last.fm people frequently tag things that are totally unrelated to, you know, genre. I had to spend some time setting up a blacklist of things that I suspect the vast majority would want blacklisted, with things like: seen live, albums I own, cool, awesome, beautiful, favo(u)rite(s), and so on

Also, if you do have a term blacklisted, and you have it set to do more than one tag per track, and that tag is one of the top ones, it will skimp on the tags rather than going to the next highest ranked. Like, i have it set to add 3 tags, one album had it tagging to: Doom Metal; Melodic Death Metal; Beautiful. I added 'Beautiful' to the blacklist, and redid the tags for that album, and it came up: Doom Metal; Melodic Death Metal rather than: Doom Metal; Melodic Death Metal; Mystery Tag

Also, It appears the blacklist is case sensitive, and I don't think it should be, since last.fm defaults to lowercase, but this seems to do first letter uppercase.

But really, I know this is nitpicking. My genre tags were a mess and this has helped a lot to get them in order

Re: Genre Finder 5.0 - Updated 05/08/2012

Post by trixmoto » Mon Jan 20, 2014 3:55 am

At the moment you can't run in mixed modes, so you'd have to process all tracks in "track" mode, and then for the ones that still have a blank genre, you can then process them in "artist" mode. I think it's better this way anyway, as it gives you more control, but a mixed mode has been requested before.

Re: Genre Finder 5.0 - Updated 05/08/2012

Post by geremye » Wed Jan 15, 2014 2:05 pm

New user to MM love it so far. I really like this script and am trying to learn how to use it.

How do you set it up to default to the main artists genre if a particular track is not found (like a rare, demo, live, etc version)? Currently those are just blank and i dont see in the options how to do this?

Re: Genre Finder 5.0 - Updated 05/08/2012

Post by trixmoto » Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:06 am

Not at the moment, no. But I've added this to my list, so hopefully in the next version it will be able to handle this.

Re: Genre Finder 5.0 - Updated 05/08/2012

Post by timtrace » Mon Dec 09, 2013 2:22 am

Greetings, my MP3s are tagged with Artist = lastname, firstname. IE, "Swift, Taylor". This causes Genre Finder to not hit a match with LAST.FM.

Is there any way to work around this without retagging my files?

Thanks :)

Re: Genre Finder 5.0 - Updated 05/08/2012

Post by josch » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:57 am

OK, thanks. I'm waiting :-)

Re: Genre Finder 5.0 - Updated 05/08/2012

Post by trixmoto » Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:09 am

No worries, I understand what you mean and I've added your suggestion to my list for the next version.

Re: Genre Finder 5.0 - Updated 05/08/2012

Post by josch » Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:22 am

hello and thx for the great work,

first of all, sorry for my bad english. i wish that genrefinder does not change the value if it already in the white list.

Settings:
Run Mode: "Track"
Confirmation: "Never"
Use top results: 0
Minimum: 0
Unknown playlist: ""
Unknown action: "Nothing"
Seed artis: "Artist"
Autom. run: "OnPlay"
after (seconds): 2

All checkboxes except "Show toolbar button" are unchecked.

Genre|White|Pop;Rock/Pop;Blues

an example;
Track xyz has already the genre "Rock/Pop". GenreFinder get "Pop" from last.fm and set this value.

i think an option like "Only overwrite 'wrong' values" is what i need. Any chance to get it? :-)

thx
josch

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