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Re: Magic Nodes 4.2 w/ 380 masks & real GUI (2011-07-01)[MM2

Post by MMFrLife » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:07 pm

ok, been messing around with it some and learning some basics. My "biggest" question is, can you create root/parent nodes from scratch?

A lot of the default groups I don't really care that much about, so I'm taking the approach of deleting some and renaming/reconfiguring some to reflect my needs.
Is it possible though, to create a fresh parent node without just redoing one of the default ones? Looked around in settings and although I'm getting better, I haven't quite
figured it out.

Re: Magic Nodes 4.2 w/ 380 masks & real GUI (2011-07-01)[MM2

Post by MMFrLife » Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:40 pm

ZvezdanD wrote:
MMFrLife wrote:Under "Format, VBR, Bitrate" node I have 6 Kbps nodes under the "wav" node.


Clarification:
There are 6 different Kbps subnodes listed under the wav node. Not, a node that says 6 Kbps.
One of those nodes is 1408 Kbps. The 1408 one, and "only" the 1408 one, brings up only a "few" files that are br 1411. "All" of these few, and only a "few", are 1411.

However, I see what you are saying. 1411 is still within the proper range for the 1408 node, right?

Re: Magic Nodes 4.2 w/ 380 masks & real GUI (2011-07-01)[MM2

Post by ZvezdanD » Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:14 am

MMFrLife wrote:Under "Format, VBR, Bitrate" node I have 6 Kbps nodes under the "wav" node.
All but one of these appears to be an accurate reflection of what's in the library. One of them states as "1408" Kbps, but when it's clicked on the files that show up are all "1411" Kbps.

I don't understand where you have 6 Kbps and where you have "1408" Kbps. Please post screenshot where I can see the tree panel with the selected node and tracks with that bitrate.

By the way, the Birtate node doesn't display files with bitrate of one fixed value, but it shows range of values with the 16 Kbps interval. For example, node "64 kbps" will display all files with bitrate between 56 and 72 kbps. The node "1408 Kbps" is displayed because it is dividable with 16.

Re: Magic Nodes 4.2 w/ 380 masks & real GUI (2011-07-01)[MM2

Post by MMFrLife » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:26 am

Ok, I renamed custom 5 to "mp3 Encoder". Error message has gone away.

However, I noticed something else that struck me as odd. Under "Format, VBR, Bitrate" node I have 6 Kbps nodes under the "wav" node.
All but one of these appears to be an accurate reflection of what's in the library. One of them states as "1408" Kbps, but when it's clicked on the files that
show up are all "1411" Kbps.

This inaccuracy worries me that there are others. What's goin on?

Re: Magic Nodes 4.2 w/ 380 masks & real GUI (2011-07-01)[MM2

Post by ZvezdanD » Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:45 am

MMFrLife wrote:Is MNds making some weird conflicting association with that and my "Custom 5: Encoder"?

The field/tag with the name "Encoder" already exists in MediaMonkey that could be seen/modified in the Properties dialog box. The field with the name "Encoder" also already exists in Magic Nodes and it corresponds to the built-in MM field.

Magic Nodes could behave improperly if some custom field is named as some another existing MN field. You should change the name for that custom field to something another as you got suggested in that error message.

Re: Magic Nodes 4.2 w/ 380 masks & real GUI (2011-07-01)[MM2

Post by MMFrLife » Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:20 pm

My "Custom 5" field is named "Encoder". When I installed Magic Nodes I got an error that came up telling me something like "Your Custoom FIeld "Encoder" is improperly
named. Rename it with another text". When I click "ok" it goes away and I can proceed as normal. But everytime I start MM up this error pops up. I uninstalled MNds and everything is back to normal now.

Does anyone have a clue?

It's interesting that it has a problem with the term "encoder" as that is a term that shows up naturally in the Details tab in MM file properties.
Is MNds making some weird conflicting association with that and my "Custom 5: Encoder"?

Re: Magic Nodes 4.2 w/ 380 masks & real GUI (2011-07-01)[MM2

Post by FLWB » Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:54 am

ZvezdanD wrote:
FLWB wrote:Mask of the node with error:
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<Group|Name:Split examples|Show tracks:No>\Multi-item Custom 1 field|Icon:Top level\<Custom 1|Split by:; >\<Album with album artist>

Do you have renamed Custom 1 field in MM? Old versions of Magic Nodes had problem with custom fields because the mask contained modified custom field names. That is fixed in the new version which accepts both <Custom x> and <Renamed_custom_field> formats.


Aahh that would be it. Thanks I'll look to getting the newer version.

Re: Magic Nodes 4.2 w/ 380 masks & real GUI (2011-07-01)[MM2

Post by ZvezdanD » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:58 pm

FLWB wrote:Mask of the node with error:
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<Group|Name:Split examples|Show tracks:No>\Multi-item Custom 1 field|Icon:Top level\<Custom 1|Split by:; >\<Album with album artist>

Do you have renamed Custom 1 field in MM? Old versions of Magic Nodes had problem with custom fields because the mask contained modified custom field names. That is fixed in the new version which accepts both <Custom x> and <Renamed_custom_field> formats.

Re: Magic Nodes 4.2 w/ 380 masks & real GUI (2011-07-01)[MM2

Post by FLWB » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:39 pm

ZvezdanD wrote:
FLWB wrote:By the way some of the preset nodes are working like the Multi-item Custom 1 field. When I try to select that one I get an error "The mask defining this Magic Node produced an error" and when I open to edit it all of the selections are blank and all of the fields are disabled.

If you got the error, please post:
1. version of the program and version of the add-on;
2. mask of the corresponding node causing the error;
3. screenshot of the error message with displayed line number where the error occurred;
4. screenshot of the Settings dialog box (not necessarily).

All controls in the Settings dialog box are disabled when the mask is incorrect, in that case you could only edit Mask field or delete such mask. Most probably you are trying to select some node whose mask you have inappropriately modified previously - all predefined masks should be fine.


I hadn't tried to edit any of the predefined masks.
MMW v.4.1.1.1703 / Magic nodes 4.2

Mask of the node with error:
Code: Select all
<Group|Name:Split examples|Show tracks:No>\Multi-item Custom 1 field|Icon:Top level\<Custom 1|Split by:; >\<Album with album artist>

Re: Magic Nodes 4.2 w/ 380 masks & real GUI (2011-07-01)[MM2

Post by ZvezdanD » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:11 pm

FLWB wrote:By the way some of the preset nodes are working like the Multi-item Custom 1 field. When I try to select that one I get an error "The mask defining this Magic Node produced an error" and when I open to edit it all of the selections are blank and all of the fields are disabled.

If you got the error, please post:
1. version of the program and version of the add-on;
2. mask of the corresponding node causing the error;
3. screenshot of the error message with displayed line number where the error occurred;
4. screenshot of the Settings dialog box (not necessarily).

All controls in the Settings dialog box are disabled when the mask is incorrect, in that case you could only edit Mask field or delete such mask. Most probably you are trying to select some node whose mask you have inappropriately modified previously - all predefined masks should be fine.

Re: Magic Nodes 4.2 w/ 380 masks & real GUI (2011-07-01)[MM2

Post by FLWB » Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:39 pm

ZvezdanD wrote:
FLWB wrote:I want to be able to create a node that simply lists each value individually not as multi-item categories

Did you try to customize masks from Split examples folder, e.g. "Multi-item Custom 1 field"?


Sorry I just figured it out I didn't have the "split by" populated. It's working great now. Thanks for the fast response.

By the way some of the preset nodes are not working like the Multi-item Custom 1 field. When I try to select that one I get an error "The mask defining this Magic Node produced an error" and when I open to edit it all of the selections are blank and all of the fields are disabled.

Re: Magic Nodes 4.2 w/ 380 masks & real GUI (2011-07-01)[MM2

Post by ZvezdanD » Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:16 pm

FLWB wrote:I want to be able to create a node that simply lists each value individually not as multi-item categories

Did you try to customize masks from Split examples folder, e.g. "Multi-item Custom 1 field"?

Re: Magic Nodes 4.2 w/ 380 masks & real GUI (2011-07-01)[MM2

Post by FLWB » Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:31 pm

Previously posted on the Sub Genre http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=40276&start=30#p387570 thread and Lowlander sent me to Magic Nodes which I've downloaded.

I read the PDF and searched this thread yet I can't seem to find the answer to how to set up a mask for a magic node for the Grouping field to emulate the Classification nodes for Mood or Occasion where multi-selections have been enabled. (I would think it would be simple but what I think and reality often diverge.)

Since MMW doesn't have a Sub Genre field I use Grouping (set to allow multiple values) to tag tracks for sub genre. Many songs cross or blend multiple subgenres just as artists cross genres on the same album. I simply use a semicolon as a separator just like the classifications do for multi-selections. (I also use Mixed in Key to tag the energy level to the Grouping field as well.) It's very simple and doesn't need to be complicated.

I want to be able to create a node that simply lists each value individually not as multi-item categories so that I can click on a subnode and see all tracks tagged with that value in one category.

For an example: I have Amnesty's Love Fades tagged as 'R&B' in the genre and have tagged in Grouping as; 4; Deep; Funk; Groove; Jazz; NewOrleans; Psychedelic; Soul because it incorporates all of those elements. (Note: 4 is the energy level value assigned by Mixed in Key)

Right now when I create a Grouping node it is giving me a sub node of

"4; Deep; Funk; Groove; Jazz; NewOrleans; Psychedelic; Soul" (all of the values are included)

I would rather have individual sub nodes for each of the values.

Can I do this? Even if it takes making a donation to ZvezdanD since it may already be part of the paid version, this one mask could make life exceedingly simpler. (And I've got about 47K tracks tagged and going back and making a change to the way they are tagged is not an option.)

Re: Magic Nodes 4.2 w/ 380 masks & real GUI (2011-07-01)[MM2

Post by ZvezdanD » Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:00 am

allwi wrote:Can you share the modification with ZvezdanD, so that he can include it in the official code?

Oh please, do you think that I don't know how to do something like that by myself? I cannot see from the screenshots what he did exactly, but I bet that he only added hard-coded custom field that he needed, while my suggestion that I mentioned in my previous post is general and could be used in combination with any MN fields.

You see, I avoid adding new combined hard-coded fields like existing "Artist - Title" or like his "Decade - Genre" because the list of available MN fields is already too big and hard to navigate and adding new fields only makes that thing worse. As you could know from my works, I prefer general, more flexible solutions and such would be the solution that I already implemented in the new version and suggested in my last post.

However, he didn't like my solution because I am asking a donation for it and he rather spent a few hours to get the same result. Since he said that he is a developer, I am wondering how much he is paid on his job for a few hours of work. Was it his few hours that he spent modifying this script worth as much as if he donated to me a few bucks to get the working solution? And if he donated he would get not only the solution for his problem, but he would get also many new options and improvements of this add-on (viewtopic.php?p=385447#p385447).

Re: Magic Nodes 4.2 w/ 380 masks & real GUI (2011-07-01)[MM2

Post by allwi » Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:09 pm

conandrum wrote:As I am a developer, I could not bear to sit and wait )))
I modified the script myself and I am now hapily SYNCHRONIZING 50GB of automated playlists!!!!


Cool, great work - I had a look in the vbs file myself but was completely lost (but I don't consider VB as a proper language).

Can you share the modification with ZvezdanD, so that he can include it in the official code?
Many thanks

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