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Re: Can you stream from MMA to Sonos [#14301]

by Peke » Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:37 am

Hi,
qjbikker2 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:53 am Is it not possible for the Android version to have a streaming capability to Sono just like the Windows 10 version?
Unfortunately not yet.

Sonos

by qjbikker2 » Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:53 am

Is it not possible for the Android version to have a streaming capability to Sono just like the Windows 10 version?

Kind regards,
Krien Bikker

Re: Can you stream from MMA to Sonos [#14301]

by Peke » Sat Nov 18, 2023 2:55 pm

Zonky wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 5:23 am You answer means in turn, that there will be most probably no support for Sonos within MMA in future
No, We tried, but for that we actually need to have Sonos devices to test and when we asked Sonos for help several times, I can mildly say they ignored us. So based on Sonos response mosty their users do not want to see MMA support Sonos (exclude users here). It is on lower priority as there is still much more features/fixes to do and Sonos support will be done along the way.

That said, yes, there should be Support for Sonos but when it will be available is unknown fact ATM. We are always Available to help any developer (unlike ...) to improve their way of listening and also help all MMA users.

Re: Can you stream from MMA to Sonos [#14301]

by Kap1A » Sat Nov 18, 2023 5:43 am

tbm72 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 4:15 am Please note, I'm not saying Hifi Cast is any kind of replacement for MMA! I only have it installed so that I can cast to my Sonos speaker. For everything else I use MMA 99% of the time (including casting to all the other Google devices in my house).
this is the same for me. But the only way for me to use the speaker atm is via bluetooth. And yes for the behavior of the genres is the same in the raumfeld app. So I think both raumfeld and hifi cast are the same with different colors.

Re: Can you stream from MMA to Sonos [#14301]

by Zonky » Sat Nov 18, 2023 5:23 am

Thanks Peke for you reply! Highly appreciated as always :P
Peke wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:20 pm Sonos have native support for Spotify API and that is why it works,
So, both Spotify and Sonos interact with each other using this dedicated API or better: they communicate without the restricted Android API, right?

You answer means in turn, that there will be most probably no support for Sonos within MMA in future :-?

Michael

Re: Can you stream from MMA to Sonos [#14301]

by tbm72 » Sat Nov 18, 2023 4:15 am

Hifi Cast is able to see (and play) genres fine as well as playlists, artists, composers, years etc. It looks like there is 1 genre labelled "???" in my Hifi Cast so maybe it doesn't perfectly read MMA's library but other than that it works perfectly.

Please note, I'm not saying Hifi Cast is any kind of replacement for MMA! I only have it installed so that I can cast to my Sonos speaker. For everything else I use MMA 99% of the time (including casting to all the other Google devices in my house).

Re: Can you stream from MMA to Sonos [#14301]

by Kap1A » Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:42 am

I use the german teufel speakers and have also problems with casting (see my other posts).

What I see is that hifi cast looks completely the same as the teufel casting app (raumfeld). But raumfeld isn't able to play, search (and even to see) the genres like MMA2 do. Is this the same with hifi cast?

Re: Can you stream from MMA to Sonos [#14301]

by tbm72 » Sat Nov 18, 2023 1:01 am

Thanks Peke, quick question though. As a few of us have mentioned, the app 'Hifi cast' on the Play Store is able to stream music from my phone instantly to my Sonos speaker.

I obviously don't understand the technical side of how casting works in Android but can't MMA do it in the same way?

Re: Can you stream from MMA to Sonos [#14301]

by Peke » Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:20 pm

Ho,
Sonos have native support for Spotify API and that is why it works, MM5 uses our own reverse engineered workarounds for Sonos , which MMA can't use for now due the Android permission limitations.

Re: Can you stream from MMA to Sonos [#14301]

by Zonky » Thu Nov 16, 2023 1:40 pm

Quite an old topic regarding the first posting, and I encountered the same issues like others before.

MMW5 lists any of my Sonos within "Device & Services". E.g. one of the Sonos Play1 speakers is reachable using URI http://192.168.7.1:1400/xml/device_description.xml
Moreover, MMW5 can stream to the Sonos devices w/o any issues!

This URI is given by MMW5 and I can open it on any browser, including on my Android smartphone as well. As a result, I get an XML file with some unspecific information, at least it looks alike.

Spotify on my Samsung S21 FE 5g, can stream flawlessly to my Sonos devices, without any further configuration. Spotify just lists the device beyond their casting button and after selecting a speaker the streaming begins.

When entering the URI http://192.168.7.1:1400/xml/device_description.xml in MMA2, latest beta, nothing happens. I can press the cast button, configure the URI, press save. That's all! The configured target is not recognized and disappears from the available devices afterwards to be re-entered again.

So is MMA2 capable of streaming to Sonos or not?
Why does MMW5 automatically find the Sonos devices and is streaming to them, Spotify on Android is doing as well, but not MMW2. Is there some magic missing anywhere?

Michael

Re: Can you stream from MMA to Sonos [#14301]

by Kodijack » Thu Sep 07, 2023 10:35 am

Sadly I'm having the same problem. MMA won't stream to Sonos, or precisely: No devices show up in CAST TO.
(MM5 on Windows does cast fine though)

What I've tried:
- Adding the sonos manually.
- Double-checking DNS-issues
- Disabling Pihole and any firewall
- Trying older MMA, and currently the latest beta
- Trying other streaming-apps like Bubble/AirAudio etc. All work fine
- Masked the root for MM, currently unmasked again

As it is now, all my Sonos are just worthless pieces of plastic since the removal of "playing stuff on your device". I love MM, I don't want anything else ever. Why do Sonos suck so much? I just assume it's not really a problem with MM.

On my phone I could you AirAudio (even it shouldn't be needed to just stream silly audio), but it doesn't work on the non-rooted devices here.


This is the devicedescription.xml from one of those cans:

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1 0 urn:schemas-upnp-org:device:ZonePlayer:1 192.168.0.181 - Sonos Play:1 Sonos, Inc. http://www.sonos.com S12 Sonos Play:1 Sonos Play:1 http://www.sonos.com/products/zoneplayers/S12 74.0-43312 2 1.20.1.6-2.1 78-28-CA-9D-55-18:9 78:28:CA:9D:55:18 uuid:RINCON_7828CA9D551801400 0 image/png 48 48 24 /img/icon-S12.png 73.0-00000 58.0-00000 1.35.3 1.1.0 15.7 34 Lizzy Play:1 14 0x00000000 0x00403332 0x0009380e A200 1 5 256 256 10 0 1443 1843 1 urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:AlarmClock:1 urn:upnp-org:serviceId:AlarmClock /AlarmClock/Control /AlarmClock/Event /xml/AlarmClock1.xml urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:MusicServices:1 urn:upnp-org:serviceId:MusicServices /MusicServices/Control /MusicServices/Event /xml/MusicServices1.xml urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:DeviceProperties:1 urn:upnp-org:serviceId:DeviceProperties /DeviceProperties/Control /DeviceProperties/Event /xml/DeviceProperties1.xml urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:SystemProperties:1 urn:upnp-org:serviceId:SystemProperties /SystemProperties/Control /SystemProperties/Event /xml/SystemProperties1.xml urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:ZoneGroupTopology:1 urn:upnp-org:serviceId:ZoneGroupTopology /ZoneGroupTopology/Control /ZoneGroupTopology/Event /xml/ZoneGroupTopology1.xml urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:GroupManagement:1 urn:upnp-org:serviceId:GroupManagement /GroupManagement/Control /GroupManagement/Event /xml/GroupManagement1.xml urn:schemas-tencent-com:service:QPlay:1 urn:tencent-com:serviceId:QPlay /QPlay/Control /QPlay/Event /xml/QPlay1.xml urn:schemas-upnp-org:device:MediaServer:1 192.168.0.181 - Sonos Play:1 Media Server Sonos, Inc. http://www.sonos.com S12 Sonos Play:1 Media Server Sonos Play:1 http://www.sonos.com/products/zoneplayers/S12 uuid:RINCON_7828CA9D551801400_MS urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:ContentDirectory:1 urn:upnp-org:serviceId:ContentDirectory /MediaServer/ContentDirectory/Control /MediaServer/ContentDirectory/Event /xml/ContentDirectory1.xml urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:ConnectionManager:1 urn:upnp-org:serviceId:ConnectionManager /MediaServer/ConnectionManager/Control /MediaServer/ConnectionManager/Event /xml/ConnectionManager1.xml urn:schemas-upnp-org:device:MediaRenderer:1 Lizzy - Sonos Play:1 Media Renderer Sonos, Inc. http://www.sonos.com S12 Sonos Play:1 Media Renderer Sonos Play:1 http://www.sonos.com/products/zoneplayers/S12 uuid:RINCON_7828CA9D551801400_MR urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:RenderingControl:1 urn:upnp-org:serviceId:RenderingControl /MediaRenderer/RenderingControl/Control /MediaRenderer/RenderingControl/Event /xml/RenderingControl1.xml urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:ConnectionManager:1 urn:upnp-org:serviceId:ConnectionManager /MediaRenderer/ConnectionManager/Control /MediaRenderer/ConnectionManager/Event /xml/ConnectionManager1.xml urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:AVTransport:1 urn:upnp-org:serviceId:AVTransport /MediaRenderer/AVTransport/Control /MediaRenderer/AVTransport/Event /xml/AVTransport1.xml urn:schemas-sonos-com:service:Queue:1 urn:sonos-com:serviceId:Queue /MediaRenderer/Queue/Control /MediaRenderer/Queue/Event /xml/Queue1.xml urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:GroupRenderingControl:1 urn:upnp-org:serviceId:GroupRenderingControl /MediaRenderer/GroupRenderingControl/Control /MediaRenderer/GroupRenderingControl/Event /xml/GroupRenderingControl1.xml urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:VirtualLineIn:1 urn:upnp-org:serviceId:VirtualLineIn /MediaRenderer/VirtualLineIn/Control /MediaRenderer/VirtualLineIn/Event /xml/VirtualLineIn1.xml urn:rhapsody-real-com:device-id-1-0:sonos_1:RINCON_7828CA9D551801400 QPlay:2 image/png 48 48 24 /img/icon-S12.png
(Sorry for the "readability", it just came out like that)

Re: Can you stream from MMA to Sonos [#14301]

by tbm72 » Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:12 pm

Just noticed there's an app on the Play store called Hifi Cast which streams all the music on my phone straight to my Sonos speaker. Hopefully it's just a bug in MMA as my Sonos speaker seems to be listed as a playback device in Hifi Cast in the same way as it is on MMA, except that MMA won't playback over the Sonos.

If this gets fixed I'd much rather be able to play to my Sonos from within MMA but as a workaround it seems to work perfectly for anyone looking to stream local media to their Sonos now that the Sonos people have decided to take this option away.

Re: Can you stream from MMA to Sonos [#14301]

by tbm72 » Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:42 am

Just chiming in here with some support for this feature. As the Sonos app no longer lets you play local media to your Sonos speaker I'm left with a useless lump of black plastic!

As has been reported here MMW works perfectly in streaming to my old Sonos Play 1 speaker and MMA shows it in the list of available devices under cast but never manages to connect.

If this can be fixed it would bring my Sonos speaker back to life (plus I think you'd get a good chunk of grateful Sonos users moving over to MM!)

Re: Can you stream from MMA to Sonos [#14301]

by MonkeyStrut » Wed Jul 19, 2023 9:55 am

That would be awesome as MMA is still not working with Sonos. Sonos devices are seen by the cast option but MMA cannot connect to it.

Re: Can you stream from MMA to Sonos [#14301]

by jonh04 » Wed Jul 19, 2023 4:27 am

Hello and thank you for your work.

I wanted to possibly revive this thread and offer my help in light of the recent change from the Sonos Android app to drop support for local media playback.

I own a Sonos 1 and a Sonos 5, am opted in to the beta program and would be happy to help.

Meanwhile Hifi-cast is working but I prefer the use of MM.

Let me know if and how I can help.

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