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Re: MM4 review: "From great to terrible?"

Post by windcrest77 » Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:23 pm

To refute some of the negativity here. I think MM4 is a great improvement. I maintain a library of 200,000 tracks, I use it for DJ work on a DAILY basis as I own a dance studio and also DJ for blues and swing/lindy dance venues and professional competition. The addition of video is a godsend for me in organizing lesson videos. MM4 is more stable than MM3, the playback engine is more snappy, and the sheer range of file formats is the best on the market, that's a fact jack. There are only a few small areas MM4 needs performance improvements (the grid and the art), but I have work around's for any performance issues I've found (for example I know not to populate the grid while doing a scan). Knowledge is power, and I think sometimes peoples frustrations have more to do with that than anything else, also "pickiness". With any packaged software ones workflow must follow the program, its not custom software just for you or me. But with scripts it is customizable beyond anything else on the market, that's a fact too. I have not begun to use the media server yet, but along with video, this is a HUGE effort and improvement, when I get a networkable receiver I will definitely use it too. What other vendor would add so many huge improvements like video and networking and collections all in the same release for such an inexpensive product? Not many. I Tunes is like a ball and chain, you are forever tethered to the mama's milk of Apple, this is fine for many, but for professional work like DJ or running a dance studio, iTunes is a toy, just try playing all the file formats MM4 can play in iTunes. Or try making complex queries in iTunes. Additionally I have used the built in video converter in MM4, this is HUGE, I just found out I dont have to buy converter software and I can work in my known organizxation to do that converting. I recently converted many VOB files from DVD rips I had of lesson videos, I went to MP4 so I could use them easier elsewhere, MM4 did the work fantastically. I could go on and on, but I think people might be bettor off using the "wishlist" forum and starting a constructive conversation about what and why they want something changed or added. The developers of MM4 listen and like motivated creative programmers they actually want to hear and make creative enhancements to this complex but awesome media tool. Many of the complaints I see are because someone thinks their "data" needs to be seen/organized a certain way out of the box, but your view may not be someone elses. The beauty of MM4 is that you have the flexibility to carve up your data any way you want with a little knowledge.

Re: MM4 review: "From great to terrible?"

Post by chrismix » Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:13 am

If you want to look at your music use iTunes. If you want to listen to it then use MediaMonkey.

Re: MM4 review: "From great to terrible?"

Post by Guest » Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:40 am

Just a quick update

After a lot of playing around with add-ons, I was able to get the old coverflow add-on working with MM4 and got a cool lyrics addon as well so now my MM4 looks and works just like MM3 used to.

Too bad these things do not come as default options.

Re: MM4 review: "From great to terrible?"

Post by Mbane » Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:45 pm

What I would like to see it a new improved interface that will showcase my music collection. I spent well over a year converting my whole cd collection to flac and tagged every single song properlly and added high res album covers (500x500) to all of them along with lyrics etc...

All Media monkey spits out is a list of songs and 1001 options to organize them. I don't need that. The new art browser is completly useless for anyone with more than 500 albums. Try finding the one you want. It's also slow as heck.

I'm extremelly disapointed with this release of MM. The interface looks terrible but I know that can be changed with a new skin. However, it seems more complicated to use and really bloated. I find it difficult to navigate. I'm not sure why because it looks more or less the same but the new options are a headache. I do like the fact that it plays video since I can now add some music videos to my collection but thats it.

It should also have a built in lyrics display in a dragable window like the art and details window and it could really use a proper coverflow/mediaflow display like itunes ot songbird.

I went back to MM3 for now. I can't even express the disapointment of this release. I don't want it and will not pay for it. I would even prefer songbird ot itunes (yes I said it -iTunes) to this version of MM.

Re: MM4 review: "From great to terrible?"

Post by Lowlander » Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:08 pm

Send a debug log (step 4b) for navigation hangs and iPod sync to support. Of course make sure you're using 4.0.1.1461 as navigation speed was improved.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=69

Re: MM4 review: "From great to terrible?"

Post by declan » Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:01 pm

I am absolutely gutted about this upgrade.

As far as I can see there are new features, other than files are randomly assigned to classical music or podcast. Why anyone would want this over a simple list I don't know, but I guess I can work around it.

But does it need to freeze, every single time I click a tree node, for minutes? Does getting it to sync my iPod really need to take two hours before it even starts? Was the disamblement of Last.FM really neccessary?

I've used MM for 5 years and promoted it to friends. But the wonderful Magic Nodes functionality is not on it's own worth staying with it if the basics don't work.

Re: MM4 review: "From great to terrible?"

Post by Guest » Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:20 am

I'll say this in plain English...Mediamonkey is ugly...

...and it's always been ugly.

It's very easy to see the similarity or family history of all the MM releases. It's a distinctive design philosophy and it's done with intent. Now it didn't look half bad a couple of years ago compared to other software being released. But compared to software being released today, it's plain ugly. Look at many apps coming out for web, iPad/iPhone and Android. Wünderlist, Evernote, Flipboard, Mint, Zinio, ADW Launcher, Unstuck, Spotify.

Looks has become a factor in usability. It's actually always been as a smart design and layout helps usability. Every car manufacturer knows this, Apple knows this, heck even planes are made to "look good". Now looks, is in the eye of the beholder I know and we get accustomed to things being a certain way and we like it like that. Look at all the Applefanatics complaining over small design changes.

Now Mediamonkey is powerful, it's better at managing your library, it has the most functions and it work very very well. But it's always worked pretty well.

Mediamonkey is not polished........it's cluttered, it has the same design philosophy as Win XP. It's time MM started getting more Win 7.

Re: MM4 review: "From great to terrible?"

Post by glassandahalf » Mon Dec 05, 2011 7:36 pm

I just want to say right here that I love MM4, it improves massively on 3.

Its a fantastic product, and still the best on the market for my needs.

Re: MM4 review: "From great to terrible?"

Post by KEP » Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:35 pm

otempora wrote:Dim i, itm
for i=0 to list.count-1
Set itm = list.Item(i)

Yep, in VBish languages, Dim creates variables. It's a remnant of the very original Dartmouth BASIC, where one DIMensioned arrays. (Other variables of the era didn't require declaration.) Here, "i" is used as a loop counter, and "itm" is used to store a reference to each individual object in the list collection.

If you're gonna dump in the deep end, you'll need both the MM object model and a good VBScript reference!

Re: MM4 review: "From great to terrible?"

Post by otempora » Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:33 pm

Holy Moses! I thought I was ahead of the game with getting the right monkeys (that one cat had me fooled). This is amazing.

But, dagnabit, it still begs the question: why isn't it easier to find/use these things? I see on this thread the back-and-forth between usability and simplicity (a pox on Apple). This wonderfulness should be encorporated somewhere on MM.

Well, thanks much to y'all. It looks like MM is my future.

Re: MM4 review: "From great to terrible?"

Post by Eyal » Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:14 pm

@otempora,

Why are trying to re-invent the wheel?

Custom Report 2.8 should do the trick. It can save to XLS, XLSX, CSV, HTML, XML, TXT, ...
Link: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=18395

:~)

Re: MM4 review: "From great to terrible?"

Post by otempora » Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:54 pm

Thanks again, KEP.

http://www.mediamonkey.com/wiki/index.php/SDBSongData

seems to be the answer. But why so difficult to find? Being a typical American, I want everything to be easy. And cheap.

BTW, I think yo are right about itm. A selection of the script is:
===============
Progress.MaxValue = list.count
Dim i, itm
for i=0 to list.count-1
Set itm = list.Item(i)
.
.
.
WS.Cells(i+2,3).Value = itm.title
WS.Cells(i+2,4).NumberFormat = "mm:ss"
If itm.SongLength>=0 Then
WS.Cells(i+2,4).Value = itm.SongLength / ms2Day
End If
WS.Cells(i+2,5).Value = itm.trackorder
WS.Cells(i+2,6).Value = itm.year
=================
A little learning is a dangerous thing....

Re: MM4 review: "From great to terrible?"

Post by KEP » Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:48 pm

Guest wrote:>Took me awhile to find it, too. Click that "Develop" tab at the top of this page.

Cool! Thanks much for the lightning reply! It's a start -- although, alas, an "itm" search is null. Time to roll the stone up the hill again.

Clicking on these monkeys reminds me of second grade. That's when it all started.

I'd suspect "itm" is a variable name, but not having the script you're looking at in front of me it's hard to say. (Not to mention I'm not at all familiar with the MM object model.)

Re: MM4 review: "From great to terrible?"

Post by Guest » Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:44 pm

>Took me awhile to find it, too. Click that "Develop" tab at the top of this page.

Cool! Thanks much for the lightning reply! It's a start -- although, alas, an "itm" search is null. Time to roll the stone up the hill again.

Clicking on these monkeys reminds me of second grade. That's when it all started.

Re: MM4 review: "From great to terrible?"

Post by KEP » Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:29 pm

otempora wrote:where is this "Scripting Manual" that was mentioned?

Took me awhile to find it, too. Click that "Develop" tab at the top of this page. :)

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