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Re: Sorting issue with Grid View

by Barry4679 » Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:55 pm

Davo wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:18 pm
1. Perhaps the Column filter should be removed from the sub-view option for the sub nodes that it does not function correctly with.
I think that it is OK as it is.
I think that you need to review just what a sub-node is (for).

It seems to me that it is all working correctly:
  • the Artist node is doing exactly what it says on the the tin; ie. shows Artists in its Grid view
  • and the Column Filter ... enables you to Filter that, or any node, based upon a very flexible filter, that you can easily re-design for yourself to answer any question .... btw they renamed it in MM5 from Column Browser to Column Filter, which makes the point that it is essentially a filtering tool, and not a just a navigation tool, like you want it to be. ... filtering is like navigation on steroids; ie. it doesn't just go somewhere; it collects all the things you are looking for, from each of their individual somewheres
And even if you get somewhere, in the Artist node, and then you want an album focused view of that material, you just have to flip the View from Grid, to List by Album.
Davo wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:18 pm
No wonder so many people wan't the Media Tree it's far simpler & quicker to find things notwithstanding the increased system overhead.
And coming back to this throw away comment. ... I just don't see this, and suspect that you probably don't either.

The Media Tree lists are fixed indices. The Column Browser is a flexible multi-level index, that I can quickly redesign with just drag and drop ... eg. in that last image I posted, I was quickly filtering|navigating to just music by Beethoven, which involved Arthur Grumiaux ... not something I can do with the Media tree.

The day that I understood the Column Filter, in MM4, was the day that I stopped using the Media Tree. I was happy to regain the inch or two of column space on the left hand side, and to reduce scrolling left and right, and resizing of columns etc.

MM5 has made this approach even better, by addition of drag and drop re-design facility for the Column Filter.

Re: Sorting issue with Grid View

by Davo » Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:18 pm

1. Perhaps the Column filter should be removed from the sub-view option for the sub nodes that it does not function correctly with.

2. Custom sorting was on a TODO list. If it is still an open question as you suggest i am disappointed. I have asked twice about progress on this but there has been no reply

Re: Sorting issue with Grid View

by Barry4679 » Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:17 am

Davo wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:40 am
Not only confusing but poorly designed imo.
But now that you know how it works, wouldn't you just use the Album sub-node, when you are wanting to see Albums.
Davo wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:40 am
The problem above is compounded by not being able to sort by Album or Artist etc in the Grid view. I don't understand why 'Year' was chosen to sort on, it is not a required field & far less useful than Album &/or Artist.
Have they said that they won't include facility to custom sort the grids? ... I could be wrong, but I thought that was still an open question.

Re: Sorting issue with Grid View

by Davo » Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:40 am

Not only confusing but poorly designed imo.
The purpose of the Column filter is not only to filter but also to enable a selection from the filtered results. This function is broken it seems when you use a sub node in conjunction with a Grid view, eg if you are in the Artist node you cannot select an Album from the Column filter even though it is listed in the filtered results.
The problem above is compounded by not being able to sort by Album or Artist etc in the Grid view. I don't understand why 'Year' was chosen to sort on, it is not a required field & far less useful than Album &/or Artist.

No wonder so many people wan't the Media Tree it's far simpler & quicker to find things notwithstanding the increased system overhead.

Re: Sorting issue with Grid View

by Barry4679 » Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:33 am

Duh ... I think that I finally got there :oops:

I think that the answer is going to be that this is the Artist subnode, and therefore its Grid view displays Artists.

You haven't actually selected an album, you have filtered the view of artists to just those who are associated with that album.

If you think about what a sub-node is, the answer probably is that it is:
  • a default sort sequence
  • a default column to filter by in the context filter .. ie. type Cage into the artist view, and you would see the band Cage The Elephant, but not the Composer John Cage
  • and it is a Grid View, specially tailored for the sub-node type ... ie. see Artist not Albums, in this case
I agree that it is confusing that when you change the View from Grid, to List By Album, it is a big ask for people to expect|understand that the display flips from albums to Artists.

Re: Sorting issue with Grid View

by Davo » Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:18 am

You are still using the List by Album view not the Grid View. It is the combination of the Grid view & Column filter that is causing the problem

Re: Sorting issue with Grid View

by Barry4679 » Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:39 am

Davo wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:29 am
Your node & selections in the Column Filter are the same as mine but i can see from your image that you are in the 'List by Album view'[ not the Grid view. Try the same column filter selection with the Grid view
Sorry, my bad.

like this?

It still looks ok to me .... you do something after that?

Similar to my 1st answer, that entry in the main pane has two click zones in the Summary column ... one takes you to the Detail page for the album, and the other to the detail page for the Artist.

Not what you expected?

PS. this is my 2nd shot at answering your post ... I deleted my 1st one, because it was incorrect ... I hope you didn't read it, and get confused.

Re: Sorting issue with Grid View

by Davo » Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:29 am

Your node & selections in the Column Filter are the same as mine but i can see from your image that you are in the 'List by Album view'[ not the Grid view. Try the same column filter selection with the Grid view

Re: Sorting issue with Grid View

by Barry4679 » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:27 pm

Davo wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:50 pm
My thinking is if i am using the Column Filter to find say an album it should not matter what node i am in.
It doesn't matter, but if you have found a bug it may be affecting only a specific node ... so it helps to know where to go, if trying to replicate what you are seeing.


Am getting closer with your added info, but not quite there yet. ... from your original question.
Davo wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:54 pm
If you select an Artist in the column filter & then select an Album It brings up the Artist in the main pane & not the Album?
So I have Column Browser open, setup the same as yours.
I am filtered to Beethoven
Clicks #1 & #2 as you describe.

Is that what you mean when say "brings up Artist in the main pane"? ... ie it is filtered by the preceding fields in the filter: Beethoven and Arthur Grumiaux and now also the album I just selected ... it shows only 1 track, because the other tracks in the album were either by a different Composer, or had a different Artist tag.

Is that what you are seeing?
You do understand that the sections in the Column Browser are cumulative, and are ranked from left (most important) to right (least significant)?

Re: Sorting issue with Grid View

by Davo » Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:50 pm

Ok
First I am making the selections in the column filter, which has 4 columns Genre, Composer, Artist, Album
2. The issue i described was in the Artist node. But with further testing i have the same issue in the Conductor & Composer nodes.

The problem does not exist at the Collection level or Album node.
My thinking is if i am using the Column Filter to find say an album it should not matter what node i am in.

Re: Sorting issue with Grid View

by Barry4679 » Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:50 pm

Davo wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:54 pm
2. Another issue when the column filter is used in conjunction with the Grid view.
If you select an Artist in the column filter & then select an Album It brings up the Artist in the main pane & not the Album?
Hi David, your problem descriptions are bit too pithy to be confidently sure about what you are describing. ... ie. you where in which Node?, and you selected an album how?

I think that you are probably clicking too low ... see here, there are three separate click zones .. the album art, and the album name, and the artist name ... I think that you are probably clicking the Artist name.

Re: Sorting issue with Grid View

by Davo » Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:54 pm

1. A reply would be appreciated. Also it would be useful if the TODO list was published.

2. Another issue when the column filter is used in conjunction with the Grid view.
If you select an Artist in the column filter & then select an Album It brings up the Artist in the main pane & not the Album?

Re: Sorting issue with Grid View

by Davo » Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:40 pm

Is it still on the TODO list & what would be the ETA

Re: Sorting issue with Grid View

by PetrCBR » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:52 pm

Hi. It's on TODO

Re: Sorting issue with Grid View

by Davo » Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:37 pm

@ MM devs
Will MM implement a 'sort by' function for the Grid view?

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