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Re: What I like in media players.

by mccstumble » Sat Jul 23, 2011 6:14 pm

@Peke

many thanks for the feedback.

I suspect i may have gotten my terminology wrong??? When I say integrate i mean to have an addon availabe in line with the details I mentioned in my previous posts.

I wouldn't know about the licensing side of things but appreciate that what seems like a simple enough request will often have layers of complexity to be resolved before any solution could be proposed or implemented.

Encouraged to hear it is being looked at though and really hope to see MM have this functionality either integrated or via addon

cheers

mccstumbe

ps - Peke would it be ok if I start a fresh post to cover this LastFm question of mine, as I feel it is somewhat "buried" in this post??

Re: What I like in media players.

by Peke » Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:55 pm

When we started on making MM Plugin Last.fm licensing were different adn by Releasing Scrobbling API 2.0 things are changed. It is much easier to integrate last.fm into Freeware app than in apps like MM.

We are looking into ways to integrate things much better.

Re: What I like in media players.

by jamburglar » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:33 pm

mccstumble wrote:Since no one has come back to me concering my earlier post...
Re: What I like in media players.

Postby mccstumble » Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:20 pm
I dont know who moved my previous post, "LastFM Integration Like Clementine and Songbird" or why it was moved into this post,"What I like in media players"?

I had created as a seperate post item because it only focuses on the LastFM element of Skyean's post and I thought it should be treated seperately and as a single wishlist item.

Could it be moved back please or have I inadvertently broken a posting rule?

Thanks
I propose to move my "LastFM Integration Like Clementine and Songbird", as it is a single issue, unless there is a valid reason for doing so.

Thanks
I think it's unlikely that MediaMonkey will add native Last.FM integration, seems to go against the MM philosophy. Even the scrobbler is an add-on. I think this would be better suited for the Add-Ons forum. Maybe someone would be willing to write a script to do this.

Re: What I like in media players.

by mccstumble » Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:17 pm

Since no one has come back to me concering my earlier post...
Re: What I like in media players.

Postby mccstumble » Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:20 pm
I dont know who moved my previous post, "LastFM Integration Like Clementine and Songbird" or why it was moved into this post,"What I like in media players"?

I had created as a seperate post item because it only focuses on the LastFM element of Skyean's post and I thought it should be treated seperately and as a single wishlist item.

Could it be moved back please or have I inadvertently broken a posting rule?

Thanks
I propose to move my "LastFM Integration Like Clementine and Songbird", as it is a single issue, unless there is a valid reason for doing so.

Thanks

Re: What I like in media players.

by mccstumble » Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:54 am

@ ma_t14

Thanks, I will have a look. I don't want to switch from MM, especially since it seems to be moving towards a total media management application (Audio, Video, Podcasts, iPhone sync and hopefully photo's too someday) but it's good to see what others are doing with LastFM and other internet radio stuff.

The few couple of programs I have looked at seem pretty basic compared to MM and for that reason I am hoping the LastFM features might be an easy enough project for the addon or script developers to come up with something as good in that area.

I am impressed with my first browse of Musicbee -- like clementite and songbird it appears to have to Web element of things nicely organised. I will give it a try over the next day or so.

Hope some developers might have a look at a proper LastFm / inetrnet radion playing addon

Re: What I like in media players.

by ma_t14 » Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:52 am

You may also try MusicBee. I find it's last.fm integration excellent as well and not only that...

Re: What I like in media players.

by mccstumble » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:11 pm

I decided to pay for LastFM as I use it so much. I also bought MM Gold Lifetime and no regrets with either.

Now just hoping MM gets the ability to play LastFM

Re: LastFM Integration Like Clementine and Songbird

by jamburglar » Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:36 pm

mccstumble wrote: I think it would be awesome if there was an Addon or script that achieved the same LastFM integration for MM. That is, for the main LastFM node to be then nested with "My Recommendations", "My Radio Station", My Mix Radio", "My Neighbourhood", "Artist Radio", "Tag Radio", "Custom Radio", "Friends" and lastly "Neighbours" just as we would experience on LastFM itself or as seen on Clementine. Of course it should also be supplemented with a Node for "Artist Info" which would have nested nodes for Biography from LastFm, Biography for Wikipedia, Images, Artist Tags, Similar Artists, etc in the same way as Clementine does. There should also be the "Like" and Dislike buttons.
In Clementine, you need to be a paid Last.FM subscriber to stream Last.FM radio. (You can scrobble tracks for free, as in MM.) It would be cool there was a script to do this in MediaMonkey but to be honest I don't think I would dish out the money for radio streaming when I can do it for free through Last.FM.

That being said, I am big into music discovery and would love to be able to integrate that love with MediaMonkey somehow..

Re: What I like in media players.

by mccstumble » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:20 am

I dont know who moved my previous post, "LastFM Integration Like Clementine and Songbird" or why it was moved into this post,"What I like in media players"?

I had created as a seperate post item because it only focuses on the LastFM element of Skyean's post and I thought it should be treated seperately and as a single wishlist item.

Could it be moved back please or have I inadvertently broken a posting rule?

Thanks

LastFM Integration Like Clementine and Songbird

by mccstumble » Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:10 am

Hi All

I stumbled across Clementine and Songbird recently following Skyean's post of yesterday ("What I like in media players"). Despite my initial scepticism when reading the post I was blown away by the LastFm integration in both of them and especially in Clementine as it is so intuitive.

I have been using MM for so long that I haven't looked at other players in a few years. I am very pleased with MMs functionality and flexibility coupled with the fact I had escaped WMP and iTunes. However, now that I have seen what Clementine and Songbird do with LastFM, I am extremely keen to have such functionality in MM without having to search for and cobble together bits and pieces from all over the MM Forum pages in the hope I finally get something that resembles what I have experienced in Clementine.

I have checked MM Addons and also the Developers Addon Forum without success. I already have Monkeyrok installed and it is quite handy for biographies etc but it doesn't have proper LastFM support (it seems only to have Biographies etc). It is a great Addon except that it seems almost like a separate program rather than an integrated element of MM (by that I mean I am looking for something that works from the nodes)

I already have my existing MM LastFM node Addon and last FM AutoDJ script which are ok but nothing like what I am looking for these days given how things have moved on since I first got them. To be honest I rarely use them these days

Not sure how many MM users enjoy LastFM for discovering music but for me it is an integral part of my setup and I am sure there must be plenty of others who would wish for proper LastFm integration within MM. Personally I use LastFM on my iPhone, Squeezeserver, iPeng and the Web and it seems a pity that my favourite media player (Mediamonkey in case you haven’t guessed already) doesn't have this available (assuming I have looked but just not found it).

I think it would be awesome if there was an Addon or script that achieved the same LastFM integration for MM. That is, for the main LastFM node to be then nested with "My Recommendations", "My Radio Station", My Mix Radio", "My Neighbourhood", "Artist Radio", "Tag Radio", "Custom Radio", "Friends" and lastly "Neighbours" just as we would experience on LastFM itself or as seen on Clementine. Of course it should also be supplemented with a Node for "Artist Info" which would have nested nodes for Biography from LastFm, Biography for Wikipedia, Images, Artist Tags, Similar Artists, etc in the same way as Clementine does. There should also be the "Like" and Dislike buttons

If you would like to see a LastFM integration as described please add your comments / suggestions etc and hopefully some clever Addon developer may take it up as a project and keep MM ahead of the pack.

Re: What I like in media players.

by mccstumble » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:41 am

@Gingernut63 I couldnt have put it better myself.

I just spent a while searching for a lastfm addon that is node based as described in my previous post. Perhaps it is buried somewhere deep in the addons forum but I don't even know if it exists and I have a sinking feeling that it doesn't exist yet.

@Lowlander Would you know if a LastFM addon exists as I have described? If not I will create a new post on the wishlist.

Keep up the good work

Re: What I like in media players.

by Gingernut63 » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:28 am

Well people I have to say that some years ago I was looking for a music player/organiser after the original MusicMatch was purchased by Yahoo. Happily after an exhaustive search I came across MediaMonkey and have never looked back. I'm very happy with the product and yes it can be improved but it is heading in the right direction, after all nothing is perfect.

I like the idea that you can have the bog standard setup at the beginning and add plugins as required. I don't what too much stuff I have no use for. I like the fact I can add what I want and I agree it would be easier to upgrade plugins than the whole package. However I agree with Skyeam. Finding add ons/plugins is a bit of a chore. My wish list would see an improvement in this area, a little more organisation perhaps. The documentation with some plugins could also be improved but then again that is a common problem with multiple products across the internet.

All in all a great product. Keep striving to improve because that is one way to remain relevant in these fast changing times.

Re: What I like in media players.

by mccstumble » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:19 am

@Skyean - I hope never to have to switch form Mediamonkey. It's almost like a family member...

@Lowlander - Thanks again - I should have thought of looking there first. I hope it's not as difficult as Skyean suggests.

I already have the LastFM node installed and to be honest its a bit confusing as to what it does. I also have the LastFM autodj which is handy.

Although I have these LastFM addons I am really hoping there is a MM addon that lays things out in the lastfm format like Clementine does (ie a node with LastFM and then nested with "My Recommedations", "My Radio Station", My Mix Radio", "My Neighbourhood", "Artist Radio", "Tag Radio", "Custom Radio", "Friends" and lastly "Neighbours"- it's so intuitive and what LastFM users are familiar with whether its via Web, iPhone App, Squeezeserver etc.

I will go searching shortly

Thanks again

Re: What I like in media players/Some Clementine for the Mon

by Skyeam » Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:02 pm

@mccstumble

Don't get me wrong, I prefer mediamonkey over all other players. But like you experienced yourself, there are some amazing features to be found in other players (not only clementine), that I'd love to see implemented in mediamonkey. (and the other way around, if other players had more of the functionality found in mediamonkey, I would maybe consider switching)


@Lowlander

I found out about those addons a long time ago, I really like this functionality, but it is lacking (in my opinion).

For example:
  • The addons section of the website used to be disappointing. Only recently it got revamped, but there are still only a few addons listed.
  • The forum has plenty, but it's quite hard to find some addon you would like. Also, some addons are outdated and still have no alternatives, or they are buggy (lastfm-autodj wouldn't work, autorateaccurate causes crashes and performance issues..). If you compare this to how addons are managed in firefox (but they have a much larger user base and lots of developers, so I can't blame you guys for this ;) ), you certainly feel that there is lacking a rating and classification system for addons.
  • But most important, I really miss the polished, smooth experience you get from (for example) clementine where some features are integrated. Addons in mediamonkey never gave me the same polished experience.
Anyway, I really like the way mediamonkey is going with 4, but it's not yet perfect and I hope one day it will :)

Re: What I like in media players.

by Lowlander » Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:55 pm

Check the Addons forum instead. There is a last.fm scrobbler plugin, Lyrics Panel to view Lyrics, Lyricator and MiniLyrics to find lyrics, MonkeyRok with all kinds of information, taggers like MusicIP, MusicBrainz, Yahoo, Discogs, Google, etc.

And what doesn't exist can be created in an addon as long as the website has an API to connect to and a license that allows to do so.

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