Genre is a real pain!( In general, not because of MM )

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Post by pah68 » Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:48 am

JoFo wrote:Sorry for bumping this post but don't we have genre and STYLE?
Nope, not unless you use a custom field or you are refering to one of the classification fields.
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Post by Dawter » Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:07 pm

Ok, I'm really new to MM. After trying a ton of other players I was happy to find such a good one and so far I love it!
As I have been reading and re-doing things in MM I hope you can help me.
All the genre's...too many...I don't need them all. I have looked to see where I can edit the list but so far I haven't found it.
Can someone please tell me where it is so I can cut back on the genre list and add a few of my own?
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Post by mjs93 » Mon Jan 29, 2007 12:17 am

Dawter wrote: Can someone please tell me where it is so I can cut back on the genre list and add a few of my own?
To add your own genre, just type it right in the genre box (right-click on a track > properties > genre field). As far as the genres that MM provides automatically, they are found in the Access database file (My Documents\My Music\MediaMonkey\MediaMonkey.mdb). I've never done it, but I guess you could try deleting them from there... do back up the database first, though. :)

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Post by Dawter » Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:06 pm

What program do I open the file with?
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Post by pah68 » Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:40 pm

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Post by Dawter » Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:44 pm

Is that supposed to be a joke?
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Post by mjs93 » Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:12 pm

Dawter wrote:What program do I open the file with?
Microsoft Access.

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Post by Lowlander » Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:51 pm

Do not delete the standard list of genre's. You can delete any unused genre's with an ID of above 10000 by opening My Music/MediaMonkey/MediaMonkey.mdb with MS Access, but don't delete/modify the standard genre's.

These genre's are the genre's from ID3v1 (which doesn't support custom genre's) and can't be modified. ID3v2 does support custom genre's.
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Post by pah68 » Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:01 am

Dawter wrote:Is that supposed to be a joke?
No, just didn't read the previous posts correctly. :roll:

If you wanna delete genres you created (above and beyond the standard ones), you delete them from the genre node in MM.

If you want to delete some of the defaults you could do it in MS Access I guess, but I don't know if that's advisable though. In any case, ensure that you back up your db first
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Post by snacks » Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:08 pm

Great thread. I've been battling the Genre thing for years - I've got over 100,000 songs in my library. What it comes down to, like many have said, is it's personal and basically for me, became a way to find similar artists that I wanted to listen to together. The only "real" solution I've come up with is just to have a bunch (way too many) Genres (I've got 95) and put other terms in other fields which I can call up with a search. Like I've got World Music broken down into 4 genres - World/Americas, World/Europe, World/Eastern & World/African Arab... Then I put more specific info: Brazil, Mexico, Singer Songwriter... into the Grouping field in Itunes - which MM does read even though it doesn't show up in any visible field (I can't figure that one out)

I can't even begin to imagine putting my songs into categories like mood, theme, style - it would kill me - although I would love to! I'd probably do it with Allmusic if there was a way to link.. which would be great, but using Allmusic for Genre doesn't seem very smart to me (personal observation), they've got Artists like Regina Spektor and Feist listed under Rock along with The Allman Brothers??? If you did this you'd have to have subgenres.

In the end it's so personal and subjective and just depends what you want to use genre for...

Just some random thoughts... by the way that Wikipedia list of Genres is Mind boggling!

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Post by rovingcowboy » Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:50 pm

i guess i am a throwback?
i just don't really care to have more then the defalut genera's.

if it is country who really cares what country it is from ? same thing with rock, or folk, or chants?

just don't make anymore sense to me to add in country of orgin that the songs came from.

of course i only listen to english spanish french and itlaian and irish and some german and some russian but i only understand the english. so i put the rest under classical since they are wanger, bach, trigoskvie, ? cant spell that name now? and wolfgang, the spanish , french and itlaian is IL Divo so i list it under pop opra as they do on their web site.

but as said many times already to each his own way? 8)
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Re: Genre is a real pain!( In general, not because of MM )

Post by Dimebagdarrell » Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:38 pm

Honestly the best option that would suit everyone's needs, would be something similar to a tag explorer on popular sites like flickr. If there were a section in which you could explore by tag, where names applied to many tracks were large, and others included in less tracks were smaller, all in a graphical interface allowing us to search dynamically and visually. I'm sure there are no intellectual properties on this technology, and it is intuitive and would be relatively easy to incorporate using a CSV in the genre tag field to measure different tags for the explorer. Just sayin'.....

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Re: Genre is a real pain!( In general, not because of MM )

Post by Son of Spam » Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:49 pm

I generally tend to tag Genres by how the songs sound to me...as well as the era...etc. Sometimes I try to be specific, but other times, I have no other choice but to give it an all-encompassing genre such as "Alternative Rock".

For example, I classify The Sex Pistols as "Punk Rock". But the Misfits might be considered "Punk".

But Public Image Ltd. (Johnny Rotten/Lydon's post-Pitols band) is "Post-Punk"...As is Killing Joke.

Early U2, The Smiths, The Cure, would be considered "Alternative Rock". But then again...so would Green Day and Offspring (I don't necessarily consider them "Punk").

Bauhaus falls into the "Goth Rock" genre. But some of the gloomier, Germanic numbers would simply be "Goth".

Bananarama, Duran Duran, early Depeche Mode are "New Wave".

Van Halen is "Hard Rock", while Iron Maiden is "Heavy Metal".

But I run into trouble for sure, when artists straddle multiple genres (as has been previously mentioned): Siouxsie & The Banshees ("Punk Rock"/"Post-Punk"/"Alternative Rock"/"Goth Rock"), depending on the song.

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Re: Genre is a real pain!( In general, not because of MM )

Post by MPG » Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:23 pm

I keep my genre's very generic:
Blues
Christmas
Classical
Country
Easy Listening
Electronica
Jazz
Pop
Rap
Rock

I categorize artists by their main genre. Many artists span different genres, but they have a main stay, and that is where I classify them, except for when they release a christmas CD...for obvious reasons. The above seems to work really well for me, and has made it easy for my family to locate what they are looking for.
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Re: Genre is a real pain!( In general, not because of MM )

Post by Full_Circle » Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:27 am

I keep mine even MORE general than that.
I simply have:

Pop
Jazz
RnB
Classical
Sountrack

and thats it. I think its WAY too time consuming to break down artists or albums into anything futher than this. I would love to try, but I honestly wouldnt have the time, given the number of albums I have. And in the end, I think genre can often come down to a personal preference.

The only other breakdown of my tracks is that I apply a "Party" classification to all of my "Pop", "Jazz" and "RnB" tracks, so that I can put it on random and only get a mix of songs (as opposed to my scores and classical music).

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