Level volume for full album

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Pablo
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Level volume for full album

Post by Pablo » Mon Mar 15, 2004 5:19 am

While the volum leveling is great, some tracks have a lower or higher level for a reason. One way to preserve the artist's intentions while adjusting the volume would be allowing to level the volum for whole albums. In other words, the average volume for whole album, rather than single tracks, is computed, and each track's volume is modified by the difference between this average and the baseline volume specified by the user in Properties. If for some tracks this falls above the treshold where leveling would produce clipping, then just level up to the optimal safe value.

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Post by Lowlander » Mon Mar 15, 2004 10:27 am

A problem would be where tracks are aquired from different sources. These might have been encoded at different volumes.

Besides that this is quit advanced, probably to advanced for most and probably a PC intesive process as well as the whole album needs to be calculated.

I wonder how many users need something like this. I only use it so I don't keep running to the stereo to change the volume all the time.
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Post by Pablo » Mon Mar 15, 2004 8:22 pm

Hi, the default option would be to level on an individual basis like now. But the user could have the option of selecting some tracks (usually an album obtained from a single source) and level those together.

I don't know how difficult it may be to implement... it would certainly take some time but that would be ok with me.

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Post by roylayer » Mon Mar 15, 2004 11:46 pm

Pablo, I suggested the exact same thing within the last month or so in the Wishlist forum. (The thread should still be there somewhere.) A standard already exists for doing something like this. Jiri has it on the "wish list" but doesn't know when it will be implemented. There are a lot of other requests and bug fixes, so I understand why this wouldn't be a high priority.

Still, it is something that is important to me as well. I don't use the volume leveling feature of MM even though it initially seemed like a good idea. Once I realized that it would affect the dynamics between songs of an album, that was not something I could live with. I listen to a lot of albums, not just random songs, and dynamics are very important to the music I listen to the most (progressive rock and jazz).
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Post by Lowlander » Tue Mar 16, 2004 10:12 am

And you see, I never listen to albums, thats why I didn't care for the feature too much. Anyway lets hope they'll add it.
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Post by Musicologist » Wed Jul 14, 2004 11:11 am

MultiTrack and Rippy also wrote about the subject of volume leveling for a full album in the topic "[ Poll ] MediaMonkey 2.3 big wish" of the Forum "MediaMonkey Wishlist". Go to
http://www.songs-db.com/forum/viewtopic ... c&start=45

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Post by Musicologist » Sun Jul 25, 2004 11:55 am

Now I found out that the Replay Gain Standard (by David Robinson) already proposes a solution for "multi track leveling" or "album leveling". This solution is called "Audiophile Replay Gain adjustment".

See http://replaygain.hydrogenaudio.org//radio.html (start page: http://www.replaygain.org/ ). See also the link to "Replay Gain Standard" in the topic "Volume leveling" in the MediaMonkey Help.

When you really look well for existing solutions to problems, you don't have to invent your own solution. :oops: :o

PS. I guess MultiTrack, Rippy and Chuck in the other forum thread ( http://www.songs-db.com/forum/viewtopic ... c&start=45 ) didn't know that the solution of the problem they were discussing, was already in the Replay Gain Standard.

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Post by Musicologist » Wed Jul 28, 2004 8:09 pm

The program "MP3BR Normalizer" is an example of a program in which volume leveling for a full album has been implemented in accordance with the Replay Gain Standard. Quote from the Help of this program:

"ANALYSIS MODE - This option controls how to analyze the selected files.
File mode: This is the normal mode and should be used most of the time.
Album mode: Sometimes the CD producer uses intended volume differences from one song to another, trying to get some kind of “listening effect”. To normalize a CD like this, you should use the Album Mode. In this mode MP3BR-Normalizer will analyze all files and compute a gain value to be applied to all of them in order to keep the relative volume difference from file to file."

http://www.mp3br.com/
http://www.mp3br.com/e/html/mp3norm.html

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