MM3 - 2680 Fixed playcount algorithm

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MM3 - 2680 Fixed playcount algorithm

Post by Tylast » Fri Feb 16, 2007 5:25 am

2680 Fixed playcount algorithm should only mark tracks as played when fully played

I didn't think this was a bug. I actually liked the fact that after 50% or so of the song played would advance the play count. Is there anyway to make this a user preference?
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Post by DaledeSilva » Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:08 pm

I agree whole heartily... quite often I'll listen to a track and like it so much that just before it ends I'll click back and listen to it again...

it should definitely be after a percentage of the song that it registers like you mentioned.

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Post by mjs93 » Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:25 pm

Yes, I would also really like this back.

So glad MM3 alpha is out, btw. :)

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Post by Miki » Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:31 pm

I found this trouble also, specially now podcasts are supported, if i skip through a podcast quickly, to the end, then its playcount isnt set to one, so it doesnt get deleted.
This feature i think would be best if user-configurable.

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Post by rovingcowboy » Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:06 pm

there was a way in diddeleedoos autorating script to adjust the playcount for the script to let you set the time to skip the song or not.

whether or not it does the same for the normal play count or even if
the script still works in the mm3 alpha i don't know. :(
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Post by Bex » Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:16 pm

Jiri!

What do you say about my suggestion regarding all this?
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Post by pah68 » Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:13 pm

mjs93 wrote:Yes, I would also really like this back.

So glad MM3 alpha is out, btw. :)
Ditto
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Post by tommae88 » Sat Feb 17, 2007 12:26 pm

yeah, 50% is much better than 100%, in fact, if anything, make it less than 50%. I'm one of the guys that can barely listen to a song straight through so my playcounts arent really representative of my listening habits all of the time.

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Post by Peke » Sat Feb 17, 2007 4:07 pm

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Post by Bex » Sat Feb 17, 2007 4:20 pm

Thanks for the info Peke!
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Post by chrisjj » Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:52 pm

Miki wrote:if i skip through a podcast quickly, to the end, then its playcount isnt set to one
Hmm... but in such a case can one really say what fixed %age of play should mean "played" for any length of track?

Would we like an email program to mark any message read upon x% of it being seen??! ;)
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Post by DaledeSilva » Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:36 pm

alot of email programs do do that... well.. not percentage.. but definitely a certain time.

why not just add a slider in options which lets you set a percentage.

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Post by tooscaredtotry » Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:31 pm

this is also a bad thing because there are plenty of tracks with 15 minutes of silence at the end of them.. How would these ever be marked played?

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Post by chrisjj » Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:56 pm

> well.. not percentage.. but definitely a certain time.

A time having no regard to the time it takes to read the particular message! ;)

> why not just add a slider in options which lets you set a percentage.

Because of the cases for which no value of x% suffices - Miki's podcasts etc.

Anyway, does it make any sense for played#++ to depend on the amount of a track you /don't/ listen to?

Personally I think the email analogy is sound - either the user must mark manually, or the program must detect by telepathy! ;)
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Post by DaledeSilva » Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:18 am

you raise a good point about the podcast... I think any genre which is bookmarkable should not be marked as played until it is %100 complete... though considering the note about things with long silences at the end.. I don't see why 90% shouldn't suffice (provided the sound file is over a certain length)
A time having no regard to the time it takes to read the particular message! ;)
you're right.. the comparison is no good.. because while it's called read, the important thing in email is that you know it came and is there... so they can get away with it.

because of alot of songs have long silences (or even hidden tracks at the end of the file), waiting for 100% of the file will cause many files to be missed... but making it 1% of the file will cause WAY too many files to be added..

I would recommend 70/80% for normal tracks and 90/95% for bookmarkable tracks... with consideration for the length of the track (eg, if the track is less than 15 seconds, it MUST play 100% to be marked as played)

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