**DEFINITIVE ANSWER NEEDED: Why isn't album art showing?**

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Re: **DEFINITIVE ANSWER NEEDED: Why isn't album art showing?

by nohitter151 » Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:58 pm

patentedlicks wrote:nightrocket (2010.09.28) hit the nail on the head: its a MM bug that needs to be fixed, and MM ought to take ownership of the bug and fix it.
No, Lowlander got it right in this post: http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewto ... 15#p271032

Read it again.

Re: **DEFINITIVE ANSWER NEEDED: Why isn't album art showing?

by patentedlicks » Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:15 pm

nightrocket (2010.09.28) hit the nail on the head: its a MM bug that needs to be fixed, and MM ought to take ownership of the bug and fix it.

I have had the problem of album art sometimes showing up, sometimes not, since I first installed MM. It is a continual, though admittedly minor, annoyance. Tinkering with the album art properties only results in getting the target album art to show up, and then others don't. Sometimes, not often, it works fine.

Re: **DEFINITIVE ANSWER NEEDED: Why isn't album art showing?

by Batalanto! » Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:27 am

Hi Lowlander,

No. I see both pieces of album art. I see what you are getting at. If Image #1 was simply a placeholder image, nothing would show up. But that's not the case.

Peace,

- NR

Re: **DEFINITIVE ANSWER NEEDED: Why isn't album art showing?

by Lowlander » Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:18 am

I assume that a debug log could show some insights in what's happening in the above steps. Just start the debug versions (and dbgview) in the relaunch MM step and follow the rest of your steps and send the created log to support: http://mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=69

Re: **DEFINITIVE ANSWER NEEDED: Why isn't album art showing?

by Lowlander » Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:14 am

If it isn't reproducable it can't be fixed as there is no information on what causes it, thus the information is needed from the user. Some bugs are just hard to solve as they only occur in very unique situations.

When you right click on a track that isn't showing Album Art and go to Properties and the Album Art tab do both images show an image or does the first image show an empty disc image?
Belgrath wrote:- Close down MM
- go into the temp directory as listed above
- Nuke the temp files
- relaunch MM
- Go into the album view (no art will be seen)
- now if I select and play various albums, then I toggle between 'show album art' and 'show album art with details' then I see the cache files being populated
Going to the Album Art screen should repopulate (only visible albums), does it work when you slowly scroll and release the scroll around the view?

Nohitter: Here's the problem...

by Batalanto! » Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:05 am

When I look at my inventory of tunes under the "Show album art with details", most - but not all - of the album art shows up. I can usually get it to show if - album by album - I right click while hovering over where the image should be and choose "Image 1" or "Image 2" or whatever. But that makes for a plodding and irritating process.

On the question of needing to provide steps to "recreate the problem", this is an easy way for MM to recuse itself from having to take ownership and resolve its own program's problems. As a consumer, it's not my responsibility to do MM's troubleshooting footwork. And this is the only company I've dealt with in which the import of my issue is based solely on whether I can provide "recreating" information or not. There is much about this product I love and contribution feels good, so I'm willing to forward or share whatever information that might aid programmers. But if I myself knew how to recreate certain features that are more endemic to the program itself (rather than how the consumer is using it) I might be able to solve the issue myself.

Seriously, nohitter, there is nothing more for me to say than "I buy MM. I install it. I have the program scan in all my music with image art attached to the tag AND included as a jpeg in the file. I switch to "Album view with details" and the artwork doesn't show." In a situation like this, providing "additional" information as a requirement for MM to resolve the issue for myself (and others, whether that amount is big or small) is a cop out.

I welcome your thoughts and feedback.

Re: **DEFINITIVE ANSWER NEEDED: Why isn't album art showing?

by Barry4679 » Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:59 pm

Belgrath wrote: Is there anyway to populate this cache file without having to play a single song from the various albums? (yeah forcing MM to do this manually would take quite a bit of time on larger collections)
I deleted all the cache files, then put MM into Show Album Art mode (View|ShowAlbumArt). I then rolled through my whole collection. I have 1300 albums; it took less than a minute). This rebuilt the cache. The disappearing album art problem seems to have gone away for me.

Re: **DEFINITIVE ANSWER NEEDED: Why isn't album art showing?

by Lowlander » Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:06 am

It should rebuild when viewing files in your library, it doesn't do it automatically for the whole collection.

Re: **DEFINITIVE ANSWER NEEDED: Why isn't album art showing?

by Belgrath » Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:21 pm

Lowlander wrote:Removing the cache folders from the temp directory set under Tools > Options > General would force rebuilding I assume.
Doesn't seem to... but a force a rebuild on an album basis by my steps above.... Sorry I edited my post before checking to see if you responded...

Re: **DEFINITIVE ANSWER NEEDED: Why isn't album art showing?

by Lowlander » Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:02 pm

Removing the cache folders from the temp directory set under Tools > Options > General would force rebuilding I assume.

Re: **DEFINITIVE ANSWER NEEDED: Why isn't album art showing?

by Belgrath » Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:58 pm

Lowlander wrote:I doubt you can move these temp album art folders around, you could change the temp folder itself, but that would be it. Anyways the reason I asked was to make sure it wasn't a rights issue that prevented MediaMonkey from creating these temp thumbnails.

The following would be to remove all these temporary album arts in the temp folder and see if this improves things for you. Also make sure there is sufficient free space on the drive where the temp folder is located.

If that fails I suggest that you create a debug log for this issue. Although you're not the only one having issues it is an uncommon issue and a debug log might give the developers an insight as to why this isn't working for you: http://mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=69
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Lowlander is there any way to force the rebuilding of the MMCache directory? If I do the following I see the cache directory being built up.

- Close down MM
- go into the temp directory as listed above
- Nuke the temp files
- relaunch MM
- Go into the album view (no art will be seen)
- now if I select and play various albums, then I toggle between 'show album art' and 'show album art with details' then I see the cache files being populated

Is there anyway to populate this cache file without having to play a single song from the various albums? (yeah forcing MM to do this manually would take quite a bit of time on larger collections)


Belg

Re: **DEFINITIVE ANSWER NEEDED: Why isn't album art showing?

by Lowlander » Mon Aug 30, 2010 11:25 am

I doubt you can move these temp album art folders around, you could change the temp folder itself, but that would be it. Anyways the reason I asked was to make sure it wasn't a rights issue that prevented MediaMonkey from creating these temp thumbnails.

The following would be to remove all these temporary album arts in the temp folder and see if this improves things for you. Also make sure there is sufficient free space on the drive where the temp folder is located.

If that fails I suggest that you create a debug log for this issue. Although you're not the only one having issues it is an uncommon issue and a debug log might give the developers an insight as to why this isn't working for you: http://mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=69

Re: **DEFINITIVE ANSWER NEEDED: Why isn't album art showing?

by Batalanto! » Mon Aug 30, 2010 11:12 am

Lowlander,

Thanks for asking.

Yes. I went to the folder containing the album art. I had several folders like this with slightly different names containing album artwork. I combined all of them, moved the folder to an easier location on the computer to access/monitor, and reconfigured MM so that it knew the new location. This didn't help.

Yes again. Good question. When checking artwork under properties, the first image is indeed visible. In fact, I have all my tunes tagged with the album artwork and also have a jpeg in the album folder.

Peace.

Re: **DEFINITIVE ANSWER NEEDED: Why isn't album art showing?

by Lowlander » Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:13 am

Have you checked the Temp folder that's configured under Tools > Options > General. Go to the folder in Windows Explorer and check if it contains a folder like MMCache762336682_1 and does it have album art images inside? Also can you confirm that on tracks/albums you have no Album Art showing that when you go into the Track Properties Album Art tab that the first image is a working image (ie it shows)?

Re: **DEFINITIVE ANSWER NEEDED: Why isn't album art showing?

by nohitter151 » Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:54 am

nightrocket wrote:
It would be VERY HELPFUL if there were an OFFICIAL TO-DO LIST in which users could add these bugs so that management had it squarely on their radar.
There is: http://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/my_view_page.php

However, as you can imagine, it would lead to WAY too much clutter if any user off the street could add items here. Instead a team of moderators patrols the forum and adds bugs as necessary to the list. The problem here is that I'm unclear as to what the problem is, so I can't add it. Not to mention, I can't reproduce the problem. Without a clear set of steps to reproduce the problem, it can't be reported.

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