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Re: Can I create Ipod auto-playlists in mediamonkey?

by mjm » Fri Dec 03, 2010 5:05 pm

I agree - this is one feature that I'd really like to see in MM :)

Re: Can I create Ipod auto-playlists in mediamonkey?

by wiz » Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:09 am

I don't want to sync based on a playlist. I want the playlist to be based on what is on my iPod. I want to create a playlist on the iPod that includes all genre rock. When I sync a new rock album to the iPod I want that playlist to be updated automatically. If I delete a rock album from the iPod I want it be removed from the playlist. To me this seems like it should be a pretty easy thing to do especially since there is a database of what is synced to the iPod. There should be a way to create device specific playlists. I know this is not a bug but it should be an enhancement request.
  • I justed wiped my iPod this weekend and re-synced and all album art is correct now.
  • MM hasn't hung since I initially reported it. Maybe the problem was fixed in later beta releases. I am running the offical release version of 3.1 now.
  • Still some issues with file monitor. I updated some missing track numbers on a few albums and MM did not pick up the changes until I forced it to rescan those directories. My music is stored on a network share. I wonder if file monitor doesn't work with music on file servers.
  • This goes back to having the ability to create playlists based on what is on the iPod and not in the MM main library. If you sync a playlist then all songs in the playlist are synced to the device. I though just the playlist itself would be synced and not the songs it contained.

Re: so let me get this straight

by westi2002 » Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:04 am

wiz wrote:It should be a supported feature. Here's the reason why. I have an 18,000 track flac library, all of which will not fit on my 80gb iPod. So I sync a subset of my library to my iPod. I have also created playlists under MM. If I select my playlists for syncing more tracks get selected than I have space. For example In MM I have a playlist named Rock that includes all tracks with rock in the genre. I should be able to have the same playlist on my iPod that only includes the tracks on my iPod with rock in the genre.

I purchased MM Gold about 3 - 4 weeks ago to sync my library with my iPod. I use SqueezeCenter to play my music at home since it is stored on a nas. I have to say that after hearing so many good things about MM that I am very disappointed in the application. Here are my issues:
  • The album art on the iPod is all messed up. I posted this in another thread but no solution yet.
  • Transcoding/syncing is slow. Maybe I am expecting too much but on a dual core 2ghz/4gb memory laptop I expetected it to be faster (yes I am running 3.1 with multi core support)
  • MM hangs (becomes unresponsive) and has to be canceled via the task manager. I opened a high priority ticket on the 19th but have not received a reply nor has the ticket been updated by support.
  • Cannot have playlists on the iPod that don't include every track from the playlist on the laptop.
  • Not all new tracks or updated tracks are picked up by MM even though I have File Monitor turned on
Will these issues be addressed/fixed soon or does anyone know another application that does these and doesn't hang.
The problem of the playlist is easy to solve. Just create an auto playlist with the selection you want. At the advanced tab, you can simply limit the size of this playlist to the size of your device. Since this is random, every time you select this playlist, other songs will be selected if your database is larger than the max size selected.
This auto playlist you have to synchronize with your iPod by selecting it in the synchro menu.

I synchronize several auto playlist to my iPod and everything works fine. I have to add that for my iPod I do not the option to limit the size since my iPod is large enough. On my phone however I use this option and it works fine.
The only problem I have with auto playlists on my iPod is that they are not updated automatically. If I have a auto playlist for all songs with 5 stars and I change the rating for 1 song to 4 stars, it still will be in the playlist on the iPod untill next synchronization.

Concerning your other problems:
- Album art was once messed up on my iPod as well. After complete reset it is still fine now for over 10 months
- MM hangs, never had this problem in 3 years time
- file monitor works fine, no problems noticed
- "Cannot have playlists on the iPod that don't include every track from the playlist on the laptop" - please explain what you mean by this.

Re: Can I create Ipod auto-playlists in mediamonkey?

by moonglow » Tue May 26, 2009 2:14 am

Wiz - I think the album art being messed up is an ipod issue, not a MM issue - I've seen it on other forums etc unrelated to MM. It's a pain though :/

nohitter151 - MM does support ipod/device syncing, so this seems like a gap in that support, rather than a whole new feature being requested. Totally ok that it doesnt at the moment, but just thought some people may have been considering script or other clever solutions to get around it in the interim....

I guess I've understood MM as a music manager rather than just an organiser, I mean its an awesome app, I guess I'm just trying to use it on some tangents from what the developers planned. Essentially I wanting it to assist my playback and listening on other devices (xbmc and ipod). It doesnt yet, but I live in hope :)

Re: so let me get this straight

by nohitter151 » Mon May 25, 2009 8:23 am

wiz wrote:
nohitter151 wrote:MM is a music library organizer, not an iPod organizer. That means you should keep your music files and playlists in order on your computer, and any changes made there can be mirrored to your portable device (iPod, iPhone, etc). Direct management of playlists and tracks on a portable device like iPods is not a feature currently supported by MM.
It should be a supported feature. Here's the reason why. I have an 18,000 track flac library, all of which will not fit on my 80gb iPod. So I sync a subset of my library to my iPod. I have also created playlists under MM. If I select my playlists for syncing more tracks get selected than I have space. For example In MM I have a playlist named Rock that includes all tracks with rock in the genre. I should be able to have the same playlist on my iPod that only includes the tracks on my iPod with rock in the genre.
You can quite easily create several playlists who's only purpose is to keep in sync with an iPod. Create an "iPod" playlist, then create several sub playlists that you'd like on your iPod.

I can't speak for those other problems you've had, since I haven't had them. I don't know why everyone expects transcoding to be instant when you're doing it on-the-fly -- it can convert those tracks only as fast as they normally would be converted.

Re: so let me get this straight

by wiz » Mon May 25, 2009 12:12 am

nohitter151 wrote:MM is a music library organizer, not an iPod organizer. That means you should keep your music files and playlists in order on your computer, and any changes made there can be mirrored to your portable device (iPod, iPhone, etc). Direct management of playlists and tracks on a portable device like iPods is not a feature currently supported by MM.
It should be a supported feature. Here's the reason why. I have an 18,000 track flac library, all of which will not fit on my 80gb iPod. So I sync a subset of my library to my iPod. I have also created playlists under MM. If I select my playlists for syncing more tracks get selected than I have space. For example In MM I have a playlist named Rock that includes all tracks with rock in the genre. I should be able to have the same playlist on my iPod that only includes the tracks on my iPod with rock in the genre.

I purchased MM Gold about 3 - 4 weeks ago to sync my library with my iPod. I use SqueezeCenter to play my music at home since it is stored on a nas. I have to say that after hearing so many good things about MM that I am very disappointed in the application. Here are my issues:
  • The album art on the iPod is all messed up. I posted this in another thread but no solution yet.
  • Transcoding/syncing is slow. Maybe I am expecting too much but on a dual core 2ghz/4gb memory laptop I expetected it to be faster (yes I am running 3.1 with multi core support)
  • MM hangs (becomes unresponsive) and has to be canceled via the task manager. I opened a high priority ticket on the 19th but have not received a reply nor has the ticket been updated by support.
  • Cannot have playlists on the iPod that don't include every track from the playlist on the laptop.
  • Not all new tracks or updated tracks are picked up by MM even though I have File Monitor turned on
Will these issues be addressed/fixed soon or does anyone know another application that does these and doesn't hang.

Re: so let me get this straight

by nohitter151 » Sun May 24, 2009 3:54 pm

parsoj wrote:So this technology we have here, an iphone or ipod, with media monkey ... Never mind special auto-playlists, it's not even possible to make and edit more than one music playlist on the device. I would have thought that this would be possible without even needing to connect to the PC. Am I missing something huge? Probably.
MM is a music library organizer, not an iPod organizer. That means you should keep your music files and playlists in order on your computer, and any changes made there can be mirrored to your portable device (iPod, iPhone, etc). Direct management of playlists and tracks on a portable device like iPods is not a feature currently supported by MM.

so let me get this straight

by parsoj » Sun May 24, 2009 11:14 am

So this technology we have here, an iphone or ipod, with media monkey ... Never mind special auto-playlists, it's not even possible to make and edit more than one music playlist on the device. I would have thought that this would be possible without even needing to connect to the PC. Am I missing something huge? Probably.

Re: Can I create Ipod auto-playlists in mediamonkey?

by wiz » Wed May 20, 2009 12:29 am

I would have to agree with moonglow. I purchased MM last week and like it so far. I've finally got the sync kinks worked out and have my iPod synced with MM and wanted to create playlists on my iPod but could not find a way. I turned to the forum and found this thread. My iPod contains a subset of my music library since my entire library will not fit on my iPod. There should be a way of creating playlists for use on your synced device. To me this seems like a basic feature and am really suprised that it cannot be done. I guess this needs to be added to the wish list.

Re: Can I create Ipod auto-playlists in mediamonkey?

by moonglow » Sat May 09, 2009 10:15 pm

This is a shame, cause it seems a bit of a hurdle between ditching itunes totally - essentially it sounds like MM can't make a playlist from the sync device library but will always draw on the main library; is there a way to manage two libraries in MM? so in a way I'd be treating the ipod like a seperate library with its own playlist node?

I mean on my ipod I have a playlist for unplayed tracks, similar one for unrated tracks. These playlists HAVE to refer to the ipod library if I'm going to have any hope of syncing - cause I've only just cleaned my mp3tags etc most of my metadata (play date, ratings etc) is empty - having the unplayed track playlist on MM would be a ridiculously long list of tracks that couldn't possibly sync to a small device... although it would be kinda cool to have a 100 random unplayed tracks list from the main library I could sync to keep some new music coming in all the time.... would want a way to merge/compare it with the unplayed tracks list already on the pod though to try and avoid duplicates.... would that be possible?

mmm anyway, seems a kinda pain not to be able to make lists just for the pod - at the moment I use itunes for apps anyway, so just make smartlists there...
(someone said earlier that itunes would wipe their pod - turn it to manually manage your music ... I use itunes lots and it doesnt touch my tracks etc).

Re: Can I create Ipod auto-playlists in mediamonkey?

by Bernoulli » Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:40 pm

ah okay, thanks for the information.

Re: Can I create Ipod auto-playlists in mediamonkey?

by nohitter151 » Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:30 am

Bernoulli wrote:ah yes I just tried it, it sends double up.

I'm trying to create an auto-playlist aka a smart-playlist on my ipod. As I said earlier it's possible with Itunes and I have done it before. However I can't do it this time because itunes wants to erase my ipod because I didn't set it up initially through itunes. I've gone up and down these forums and google! If mediamonkey can't do it is there an alternate program that can do it without needing an ipod system restore?
You can't manage tunes and playlists directly on the iPod, with MM you're meant to manage everything on PC then copy it to the iPod.

Re: Can I create Ipod auto-playlists in mediamonkey?

by Bernoulli » Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:29 am

ah yes I just tried it, it sends double up.

I'm trying to create an auto-playlist aka a smart-playlist on my ipod. As I said earlier it's possible with Itunes and I have done it before. However I can't do it this time because itunes wants to erase my ipod because I didn't set it up initially through itunes. I've gone up and down these forums and google! If mediamonkey can't do it is there an alternate program that can do it without needing an ipod system restore?

Re: Can I create Ipod auto-playlists in mediamonkey?

by Bernoulli » Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:25 am

Ok that almost sounds good. This won't send doubles of the tracks to my ipod? That's what I'm afriad of, especially because its hard to find the doubles once they're on there.

Re: Can I create Ipod auto-playlists in mediamonkey?

by PGR » Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:48 am

Make your playlist in MM and save it. Then (with your iPod connected), go to the playlist module, right-click the playlist you just saved, and choose Send to in the flyout menu. Your iPod should be in the list and when you click it, the playlist should sync to the iPod.

That's how I do it with my iPod Touch and it works perfectly.

Pete

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