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Re: Cycles thru tracks but plays nothing

by Peke » Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:59 pm

Hi,
David Hillman wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:27 pm Not sure what else you'd need to know. Android's embedded audio player plays the MP3s correctly. DoubleTwist plays them correctly. Pi plays them correctly. MMA -- does not.
None of us in Team can replicate the issue, and in almost all previous user reports it as found not MMA issue but device specific changes, in those rare cases here problem as in MMA issue is fixed thru direct support using our ticketing system.

I admit there is a case e could not do anything and it is MMA fault that do not have on codecs, but use codec embed on device with firmware, but again it is something that we can't help if manufacturer decide to heavily customize Android OS.

Re: Cycles thru tracks but plays nothing

by David Hillman » Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:27 pm

(note that you are using OLD MM4)
As previously noted above, if MM4 is obsolete and no longer functional, please advise. Your site specifically mentions syncing from MM4 to MMA, which is why I went ahead and bought MMA Pro even though I am not ready to upgrade to MM5 yet. Last time I tried a major MM upgrade, my database lost all of my ratings and playback history, and I'm disinclined to repeat that adventure.
Also personally I can confirm that at least 10 users of Samsung devices confirmed that Updating MTP drivers to latest Google USB drivers fixed their issues.
I am using the latest drivers available for my device -- not a Samsung -- and again, it works in all other respects.
Re WiFi sync do not have any relations to Connecting devices to local WiFi network
Not sure what you were trying to say there, but I don't think that was it.
Why files do not play in MMA needs to investigated. I do not know what apps you tried, but unlike MMA they may have own Codecs and not using system ones that MMA require for playback.
If MMA cannot play files exported from MM4 with the default MP3 configuration, that would be a bug. And that has been my experience so far.
If you do not feel ik with sharing your setup info publicly
Not sure what else you'd need to know. Android's embedded audio player plays the MP3s correctly. DoubleTwist plays them correctly. Pi plays them correctly. MMA -- does not.

Re: Cycles thru tracks but plays nothing

by Peke » Sat Oct 16, 2021 6:31 pm

Hi,
I ma not saying that you are not right, but as an example very recently for MM5 instalattion (note that you are using OLD MM4) at bug https://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=18310 we tweaked how MM5 handle an dwork with Windows Firewall and some third party Anti-Virus/Firewall apps to make UPnP/DLNA/WiFi Sync more reliable. It is constant fight.

Also personally I can confirm that at least 10 users of Samsung devices confirmed that Updating MTP drivers to latest Google USB drivers fixed their issues.

Note that even some things appear to work they are maybe failing in situation like in high traffic of sending files to device and not copy files off device, which is read only for MTP.

Re WiFi sync do not have any relations to Connecting devices to local WiFi network and accessing internet.

Why files do not play in MMA needs to investigated. I do not know what apps you tried, but unlike MMA they may have own Codecs and not using system ones that MMA require for playback.

If you do not feel ik with sharing your setup info publicly please open support ticket amd we will try to hlp you resolve all your issues.

Re: Cycles thru tracks but plays nothing

by David Hillman » Sat Oct 16, 2021 12:09 pm

USB Sync is generally an MTP Driver issue
MTP works fine on both phones, and I'm able to mount them in storage mode, and copy over, for example, photos taken with the phone.
Wifi Sync is generally a network issue.
There is no local network issue -- both devices connect and work correctly on my network.
As for playback we have no known reasons it only plays a short part of the file.
Quite likely since people like me have been forced to abandon using Media Monkey Pro for audio playback, and resort to other apps that work -- for free.
Do the same files play fully in other Apps on the device? Were the files Auto-Converted during Sync?
Yes, the files play correctly in all other apps on the device... just not in Media Monkey.

No, they were not auto-converted, as, since I believe I mentioned, sync doesn't work at all. The files were manually copied over to the device's SD card.

Re: Cycles thru tracks but plays nothing

by Lowlander » Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:37 pm

USB Sync is generally an MTP Driver issue, which unfortunately is provided by the manufacturer: https://www.mediamonkey.com/support/kno ... ync-fails/

Wifi Sync is generally a network issue. Both MMW and MMA need to be on the same network and the network needs to allow the devices to see each other: https://www.mediamonkey.com/support/kno ... rk-at-all/

The scanning is an issue we're aware of for M4A files, but you indicate you don't have any. In that case we'll need a log capturing the scanning from MMA (from About) as they're no other known reasons for long scans.

As for playback we have no known reasons it only plays a short part of the file. Do the same files play fully in other Apps on the device? Were the files Auto-Converted during Sync?

Re: Cycles thru tracks but plays nothing

by David Hillman » Wed Oct 06, 2021 9:49 pm

That's the problem of posting in multiple threads
Well, when an application has hundreds of unfixed bugs, there are going to be quite a few threads. C'est la vie.

If I had just one problem with Media Monkey, I would find it easy to confine my comments to one thread. But since almost nothing works, that's not the case. I was hoping the other posters who are experiencing the same problems had found solutions, but it appears that most simply gave up.
Which version of MMW and MMA are you using and are you doing a wifi or USB Sync?
MMW Gold v 4.1.31.1919
MMA Pro 1.4.3.0950

Have tried both wifi and USB, and neither work at all -- on two different phones (at different times), and three different SD cards.

Re: Cycles thru tracks but plays nothing

by Lowlander » Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:39 am

That's the problem of posting in multiple threads, you end up having to repeat the same information again.

Sync works fine for me. Which version of MMW and MMA are you using and are you doing a wifi or USB Sync?

Re: Cycles thru tracks but plays nothing

by David Hillman » Mon Oct 04, 2021 8:42 am

Lowlander wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:54 pm Do you have M4A's you're Syncing?
No.

My sync is configured to convert all of my FLACs to MP3. As I said in the other thread, if there are any M4As on my SD card, that would be the result of another Media Monkey bug -- such going off plan and converting to the wrong format or something.

For added fun, I tried a different brand new SD card yesterday. Now sync runs for a few minutes, does nothing at all, and finally dies with a "Sync incomplete" error dialog, and no further detail.

This is a pretty woefully broken app, unfortunately.

Re: Cycles thru tracks but plays nothing

by Lowlander » Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:54 pm

David Hillman wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:09 pmMMA never stops scanning for new media
Do you have M4A's you're Syncing?

Re: Cycles thru tracks but plays nothing

by David Hillman » Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:09 pm

Note that MM4 is old version and MM5 was out for few months now, closing to Second stable release.
Note that nowhere in your documentation do you mention incompatibility between MMA and MM4. Exactly the opposite, in fact, since your Knowledge Base repeatedly refers to using those two products in concert.

If MM4 is a dead product, say so.
There is about several hundred fixes in MM5 that can fix your problems.
Which is another way of saying that there are several hundred unfixed bugs in the application that I did buy... MM4. You may find that yours is a convincing sales tactic, but I don't. I wonder why I would buy such buggy software from the same vendor... thrice.
Main problem with sync is that users set 20k+ tracks on sync and if it fails on 3k they will not get 17k tracks synced...
Which is a bug.
and if all goes and user end with 17k synced and 3k not, there must be a reason. Which is where debugging starts and we found out that issue is with MM or with specific user setup/sync.
So how many of these "several hundred" unfixed bugs do I personally have to investigate before the software that I bought from you will work as advertised?
If that is the case then, past 18 years of mostly favorable MM reviews was fake.
May-be... you said it, not me.

I might've reviewed MM 3 and 4 favorably. I cannot remember if I ever did, to be honest. But that doesn't mean MMA works, and in my experience, it absolutely does not do what it is advertised to do.
Can you please be more specific on what else do not work?
Wifi sync does not work -- if I enable it, MMA never stops scanning for new media, and renders my phone well nigh unusable, since it uses up all the battery charge in short order, and in fact, consumes energy at a rate equal to that which charging replaces it. There's another thread here on this subject, which I'm sure you can find.

USB sync does not work -- suffers the same scanning problem as wireless sync, and is far slower for no apparent reason, to boot. Enough so that it'd take weeks to sync my library.

Playback does not work. Even the tracks which I have managed to sync to the portable device only play for ~30 seconds before stopping with no explanation. The same tracks play with both the free version of MMA and DoubleTwist and every other player I have tried.

Is that enough? I'm sure that's plenty to consider this product defective, but perhaps your standards are far, far lower. Maybe if the app was usable, I could find more broken features, but I've already had to bag it and switch back to DoubleTwist -- which I don't particularly like, but at least it works.

Re: Cycles thru tracks but plays nothing

by Peke » Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:12 am

Hi,
David Hillman wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:28 am I am using MM4 Gold, and it still doesn't work, at all.
Note that MM4 is old version and MM5 was out for few months now, closing to Second stable release.
David Hillman wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:28 am Finally, it should be almost trivial to fix the bug in which tracks are silently ignored. You don't need to know why the operation failed in order to at least throw an "Unknown error occurred" exception, and you should be able to provide more detail than that in most cases.
There is about several hundred fixes in MM5 that can fix your problems. Especially "Unknown error occurred". Main problem with sync is that users set 20k+ tracks on sync and if it fails on 3k they will not get 17k tracks synced and if all goes and user end with 17k synced and 3k not, there must be a reason. Which is where debugging starts and we found out that issue is with MM or with specific user setup/sync.
David Hillman wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:28 am I was under the impression that I was buying an app which had already been tested, since normally one tests code before asking people to pay for it. If this is an alpha release which still requires user testing, I suggest that it ought to be free.
App is being tested daily by us and tens of thousands of our users (I personally sync daily 7 devices out of my 200k of tracks with no or occasional issues), we take care each case seriously like it is a issue in MM until proven not being an MM issue, where we try to help you directly, not recruit you for testing.
David Hillman wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:28 am Literally none of the features I paid for, work, so what exactly did I buy? The opportunity to be a volunteer test engineer?
If that is the case then, past 18 years of mostly favorable MM reviews was fake. Can you please be more specific on what else do not work? Maybe we designed it wrong, maybe something is not OK in setup, maybe there is a hidden bug. If not out of the box (like for most users) you at least paid us to fix such things or what would be the point of paying us (which I agree).

Re: Cycles thru tracks but plays nothing

by David Hillman » Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:28 am

I am using MM4 Gold, and it still doesn't work, at all.

There are no license issues in play when converting my own FLAC files to MP3. Also, all the files were allegedly sync'd... they just aren't playable.

Finally, it should be almost trivial to fix the bug in which tracks are silently ignored. You don't need to know why the operation failed in order to at least throw an "Unknown error occurred" exception, and you should be able to provide more detail than that in most cases.

I was under the impression that I was buying an app which had already been tested, since normally one tests code before asking people to pay for it. If this is an alpha release which still requires user testing, I suggest that it ought to be free. Literally none of the features I paid for, work, so what exactly did I buy? The opportunity to be a volunteer test engineer?

Re: Cycles thru tracks but plays nothing

by Peke » Thu Sep 30, 2021 6:40 am

Hi,
Unfortunately some things can stay for months because we lack of feeedback (log files when asked) and we are not being able to replicate ourself :( Sending log takes around 30 seconds during normal usage of MMA and it helps us a lot to see what happened during the time of log sending and some close time before.

Re conversion it is very important if MM sync conversion fail on a specific files or on random basis especially if MM4/5 was free version where conversion do not auto kick in as being a GOLD feature.

An example if you are using MM5 free and you sync WMA files that are not supported by Android (or better said removed from android) due the licensing issues they will not be synced or not be playable in Device even you have them in MMA library.

Re: Cycles thru tracks but plays nothing

by David Hillman » Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:57 pm

I was hoping that a months-old issue had already been recognized -- rather than spending time testing software that I just purchased.

At a minimum, there's a bug which causes tracks to be silently ignored without so much as an error message displayed. Fixing that should already be high on the list, and that should be easy.

There also appears to be a bug, maybe in MMW, whereby converting to MP3 on synchronization does not work consistently.

Re: Cycles thru tracks but plays nothing

by Peke » Wed Sep 29, 2021 4:00 pm

Hi,
Do you have log ID that you send as described here?
viewtopic.php?p=484858#p484858

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