Switching From MediaMonkey 4 To 5

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Re: Switching From MediaMonkey 4 To 5

by Ludek » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:11 am

The error log is already there in MM5 (as I wrote above).

Also, MM5 is capable to read the overly long filenames (unlike MM4),
so I suppose that it already works fine for you with build MM 5.0.2158 ?
Or are you still seeing an issues with 2158+ ?

Re: Switching From MediaMonkey 4 To 5

by Brian Siano » Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:38 pm

Let me add my vote in favor of logging the failed imports. I've been scanning my CDs into a library using EAC, and sometimes, EAC doesn't give the files filenames that work well under Windows-- sometimes they are just too long, or they put a period in the filename and MM doesn't recognize the file extension.

I worked out a method for finding the problem files-- it involved creating a list of all the files in a DOS window, and comparing that list to a MM database dump. Out of several thousand files, MM couldn't import ten of them because their filenames had problems. Some were too long, others had periods that screwed up the "file extension."

An error log after an import would be a huge help.

Re: Switching From MediaMonkey 4 To 5

by Ludek » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:38 am

The logging will be improved in the build 2155+

There will be another column saying the reason why the file wasn't scanned. So far it was part of the single column so the problem was hidden for long filenames.
Just ensure that you have '[x] Show scan results dialog' enabled in Options.
And then click [Show log] button on that dialog.

Switching From MediaMonkey 4 To 5

by pterodactil.rex » Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:55 pm

I fully agree with above posts. We need a much better report on what MM is doing when it is scanning a large number of assorted files. There should also be a "Properties" or "Analyze" function that will tell me how many files are in the library, what types, etc.

Re: Switching From MediaMonkey 4 To 5

by Peke » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:00 am

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Re: Switching From MediaMonkey 4 To 5

by ebenezer » Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:46 pm

Sorry for the delay getting back to you. I couldn't find any way to attach a file to a post. What is your email.

Re: Switching From MediaMonkey 4 To 5

by MiPi » Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:47 am

Default extensions for import, so it will import also FLV and VOB, is fixed and will be included in the next version (it will be related to clean installations only, where extensions to scan are not set in INI file yet).

Statistics at the end - we will consider your suggestion, thanks. Current statistics is based on similar statistics used in MM4 for years.

Too short files - it is adjustable in Options - Library - Ignore files shorter than... (default is 20kB).

After the scan it typically goes through video files and generates thumbnails (if switched on in Options - Library). You should see progress icon in the top right corner during background actions and after hovering or clicking it, you can see more detailed info, what is going on.

Blue or gray bar at the top - could you make screenshot? I am not sure, what you are talking about, I do not have any such thing here.

The design of the player bar depends on skin, you can try different skin. There will be more skins in the future. But 1/4 of the height is way too much for any current skin, could you make screenshot of this? I have the player bar a lot lower.

Switching From MediaMonkey 4 To 5

by ebenezer » Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:06 pm

I just tried posting this but it seem to have got lost.

I installed 2152. It says it imported 2818 files. Thats a few LESS than before (2836). The
log file still contains messages that it skipped .FLV and .VOB files. It also skipped at
least two .WAV files it says are too short. When viewing the error log window, it needs
up and down arrows in the side bar to allow smooth scrolling. With a large log file,
trying to smoothly navigate up and down using the button only is almost impossible.
Because of that I didn't look through the whole file. The too short errors were right at
the top. The .FLV and .VOB errors were right at the bottom.

The numbers in the Scan Results are interesting statistics but they don't really tell me
how MM got those numbers. The log file needs to show every file, with any file extension,
and what MM did with it. Statistics at the end of the log file with counts for folders and
files read with subtotals for the main file types would be a much better confirmation that
all files were processed.

After the scan, the hard drive light is flashing away for a good 5-10 minutes. What is it
doing ?

When I start MM 5, and right click a song --> play, I get a blue or gray bar at the top of
the screen. It's just like the blue bar at the top of many Windows apps. It shows the
artist and song name. It's right over top the orange MM bar. If I use the right click to
play additional songs, it goes away after the first song.

The player bar is HUGE ! On my 32" TV the bar is 1 7/8" tall ! Down size please. About
1/4 of the current size. Fortunately, if I am watching a video full screen, it goes away
after a few seconds. If I shrink the player back to one pane, it leaves the "big honkin"
player bar right over the bottom of my main pane. It never goes away. Please make it a
small bar in the player panel only.

Re: Switching From MediaMonkey 4 To 5

by MiPi » Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:53 am

Re: Switching From MediaMonkey 4 To 5

by ebenezer » Sat Jan 26, 2019 7:15 pm

I reinstalled MM. When it starts for the first time, it starts with asking for file locations. When I installed MM the first time, I think I just hit Next. If I add a location for drive F; it finds and scans the files. BUT The log file contains several messages that it did not import .FLV files or .VOB files. It has also decided that some files are too short to bother importing. This is exactly what I was afraid of in my previous post!

There are no log file messages about any files skipped because they were not audio or video (.TXT, .JPG, etc)

If I go into Tools > Options > Library > Set Formats for video files, the check boxes beside .FLV and .VOB files are both unchecked. I'm guessing that if I check those boxes and do a new scan, it will keep the .FLV and .VOB files. How is a new user supposed to know this when doing their first install of
MM 5 ???

To avoid a lot of grief, I would look at creating a second type of add / rescan. Option 1 would be the default. Let's call it "confirmation mode". When the scan finds a media file it doesn't like, MM would display a message box saying why and give the user a choice to Add or Ignore the file. Also append the user's choice made to the line in the .LOG file. Option 2 would be the "advanced" or "automatic" mode. MM would use the settings under Options to make the decision (just like it does now). Make sure there is a warning about using automatic mode.

Computers are supposed to make things easier, not harder.

Switching From MediaMonkey 4 To 5 [#15398]

by ebenezer » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:53 pm

The destination computer has no MM on it before installing MM5, just the folder containing the music files and the folder containing the MM data base. I will try modifying the .INI file. I recall I also had to move the .INI folder to make it work for all users. Is that still the same ?

I will try out some of the other suggestions.

Re: Switching From MediaMonkey 4 To 5

by Barry4679 » Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:13 am

Ludek wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:56 am As for the custom database location in MM5, this works the same way as in MM4, i.e. by editing the INI file, so once you install MM5 on the same computer then it is automatically imported. If you want to move it to another computer then you can install MM5 as portable and move it as whole. Or just copy the database to the other computer and set the corresponding path in the INI file.
Following on from this :
willyvds wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:09 am It would help if the addon restore/sync database were available. This should be able to also restore an MM4 database into MM5.
It can either be an add on, or a function in MM5.
It would be good if you also offered an "Upgrade from MM4 database" option , to be added to the existing "Restore from backup" option at the Files|ManageDatabase menu.

Re: Switching From MediaMonkey 4 To 5

by Ludek » Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:56 am

That is strange that the log does not show the skipped files for you, it does show them for me.
Ensure that this is enabled in Options:
Tools|Options|Library| [x] Show scan results dialog

Then "Scan results" dialog will appear and on the dialog upon clicking [View log] button you will see:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wv7bbgewwdgcy ... 9.png?dl=0
You can also click the [Save] button to save the scan log to a *.log file.

Could you please re-scan the location and ensure that the log is show for you?

As for the custom database location in MM5, this works the same way as in MM4, i.e. by editing the INI file, so once you install MM5 on the same computer then it is automatically imported. If you want to move it to another computer then you can install MM5 as portable and move it as whole. Or just copy the database to the other computer and set the corresponding path in the INI file.

Re: Switching From MediaMonkey 4 To 5

by Barry4679 » Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:27 am

ebenezer wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:51 am I am also trying to get my music files from MM4 on one PC to MM5 on a different PC. My MM4 was configured (by adding a line to the MM4 .INI file) to store the data base on a different drive (F:). Now when I install MM5, it has no clue where to find the data base :-( As far as I can see there is no place in MM5 to set the location of the data base.
Hi Ebenezer,

I also have my MM4 db in a custom location.

When I install MM5, it finds and imports from my MM4 database without assistance.
You are installing MM5 onto the same computer that already has MM4? ... You are installing under the same User Profile? ... You are using the latest version of MM5: 2149?

I presume that you can set a custom database location in MM5, the same way that you did in MM5 .... ie. in the ini file
But during 1st run of MM5 it should locate your MM4 db automatically.

ebenezer wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:51 amThere are a few folder settings under options (cache, downloads, podcasts) but nothing for the main data base. There NEEDS to be a file location page under Options. It should have settings for the main data base and any of the other data files used by MM (plug ins, previews, scripts, etc).
It is not a big deal for me, but I don't disagree.

there is one small improvement in MM5. The BackupDatabaseNow button, accessible via the MM5 menu option File|ManageDatabase, will show your database location ... there was no way to see this info in MM4 .... also the fact the MM5 has a baked-in database backup facility, removes most of the need to know the database location anyway.

ebenezer wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:51 am Who knows what happened to the other 1,550 files ?? The log file only shows the files imported. There needs to be a log entry for every file, saying what happened to that file. Was it ignored because it was not music / video ? Or was there some error ? As indicated in other posts, information like times played, etc was lost.
I 100% agree that the logging facility in MM5 is disappointing and annoying.

I am not completely sure, but I think I once saw an error dbox, which had a show log button. ... Maybe this pops up only if|when there is a error or issue for you to attend to.

I don't think that this is good enough.

Firstly they are asking for a big leap of faith that they would successfully tell you if anything was lost or skipped ... or if the process was incomplete because it broke somehow and ended abnormally.
Secondly I need to be be able to recall the audit|error log later if I was unable to attend to it immediately.

Good to hear your views. ... More people need to speak up while MM5 is in alpha.

Re: Switching From MediaMonkey 4 To 5

by willyvds » Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:09 am

It would help if the addon restore/sync database were available. This should be able to also restore an MM4 database into MM5.
It can either be an add on, or a function in MM5.

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