by Barry4679 » Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:42 am
Davo wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:28 am
BTW do you know how to search within a Collection. I select my Classical music Collection then search for Beethoven. It brings up Chuck Berry's - Roll over Beethoven ??
There are multiple ways to do this in MM5. ... IMO, some of the ways are better than the old MM4 faculties.
I think that the situation is that the new design is more flexible ... but not much of it is intuitive, nor based upon common practice ..,. it is hard to get to grips with unless you happen to be the designer, or have enough time and patience to experiment .... although we have not yet seen the tuts and online help material that is coming ... hopefully.
This becomes a a "problem" when the old way of doing things is removed ... it is great that we now have better (depending on your POV) ways of doing things, but this is no good, where the old ways are removed, unless the new ways are obvious and simple ... and they are neither of those things initially.
Ludek wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:51 am
On the other hand I agree that we should evaluate whether not to include 'Show all Nodes" extension to be pre-installed.
As it probably has no downside.
Sounds a great idea to me.
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David, try these methods to search for Beethoven in MM5.
A: The cleanest way is to use the search control on the right, and type composer:bee .... this will filter to just tracks composed by Beethoven ... you can toggle the display from Track display or to Albums&Tracks, depending whether albums mean anything to you.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wi3mfad3tpbuo ... A.png?dl=0
B: Or in Grid mode: 1. Open the Classical Music Node ... #2. click on the Composers subnode, then #3 click on sone free space within the matrix, ie. not on any specific composer, and type the letters bee ... nb. since you are in the Classical node, only classical tracks will be displayed (nb. SHOULD be displayed; there is a bug here ATM, as I reported earlier)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/248xqlf82n6k6 ... 1.png?dl=0
Then click on Beethoven icon
https://www.dropbox.com/s/sqzw2vkksdmu9 ... 2.png?dl=0
nb. the 1st step obviously not too useful in this case because Beethoven is at the start of the alphabet, and was already displayed
This displays all albums which contain any tracks by Beethoven ... click on any album to see the tracks ... note how the displayed track list only includes album tracks that were by Beethoven.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cybvkw26nx62o ... 3.png?dl=0
C: Or in List View mode: if you don't want to see grouped by album, use List mode ... same thing: #1 Classical node ... #2 AllTracks ... #3 click on free space somewhere in the list, and type bee
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ller9dlwin5vo ... C.png?dl=0
nb. ... by being in the Classical node you have got rid of your Chuck Berry problem, as you will see only classical albums, but you can see that it has included a Gershwin track which includes the word "BEEn" ... this would have been avoided if I typed Beethoven rather than bee ... but it still would have included every track from an album whose album name contains the word Beethoven, regardless of who composed the track .... this could be fixed by excluding the album tag from from the search list by the Tools|Options|Library|Search menu option
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nb. you may well be wondering why I think that the MM5 facilities are an improvement over MM4 ... it may be a close run thing, but I think that they are a quicker, albeit slightly dirty, search and filter facility, than offered by MM4 ... they are available in-place, where ever I am, without having to muck about with the Media Tree, and the Media Tree involved dealing with great long vertical lists that were made more difficult because I allocate very little width to that column.
[quote=Davo post_id=456097 time=1551072513 user_id=10457]
BTW do you know how to search within a Collection. I select my Classical music Collection then search for Beethoven. It brings up Chuck Berry's - Roll over Beethoven ??
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There are multiple ways to do this in MM5. ... IMO, some of the ways are better than the old MM4 faculties.
I think that the situation is that the new design is more flexible ... but not much of it is intuitive, nor based upon common practice ..,. it is hard to get to grips with unless you happen to be the designer, or have enough time and patience to experiment .... although we have not yet seen the tuts and online help material that is coming ... hopefully.
This becomes a a "problem" when the old way of doing things is removed ... it is great that we now have better (depending on your POV) ways of doing things, but this is no good, where the old ways are removed, unless the new ways are obvious and simple ... and they are neither of those things initially.
[quote=Ludek post_id=456104 time=1551095485 user_id=7319]
On the other hand I agree that we should evaluate whether not to include 'Show all Nodes" extension to be pre-installed.
As it probably has no downside.
[/quote]
Sounds a great idea to me.
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David, try these methods to search for Beethoven in MM5.
A: The cleanest way is to use the search control on the right, and type composer:bee .... this will filter to just tracks composed by Beethoven ... you can toggle the display from Track display or to Albums&Tracks, depending whether albums mean anything to you.
[url]https://www.dropbox.com/s/wi3mfad3tpbuosu/search%20A.png?dl=0[/url]
B: Or in Grid mode: 1. Open the Classical Music Node ... #2. click on the Composers subnode, then #3 click on sone free space within the matrix, ie. not on any specific composer, and type the letters bee ... nb. since you are in the Classical node, only classical tracks will be displayed (nb. SHOULD be displayed; there is a bug here ATM, as I reported earlier)
[url]https://www.dropbox.com/s/248xqlf82n6k6qv/search%20B1.png?dl=0[/url]
Then click on Beethoven icon
[url]https://www.dropbox.com/s/sqzw2vkksdmu9h8/search%20B2.png?dl=0[/url]
nb. the 1st step obviously not too useful in this case because Beethoven is at the start of the alphabet, and was already displayed
This displays all albums which contain any tracks by Beethoven ... click on any album to see the tracks ... note how the displayed track list only includes album tracks that were by Beethoven.
[url]https://www.dropbox.com/s/cybvkw26nx62oi5/search%20B3.png?dl=0[/url]
C: Or in List View mode: if you don't want to see grouped by album, use List mode ... same thing: #1 Classical node ... #2 AllTracks ... #3 click on free space somewhere in the list, and type bee
[url]https://www.dropbox.com/s/ller9dlwin5vogr/search%20C.png?dl=0[/url]
nb. ... by being in the Classical node you have got rid of your Chuck Berry problem, as you will see only classical albums, but you can see that it has included a Gershwin track which includes the word "BEEn" ... this would have been avoided if I typed Beethoven rather than bee ... but it still would have included every track from an album whose album name contains the word Beethoven, regardless of who composed the track .... this could be fixed by excluding the album tag from from the search list by the Tools|Options|Library|Search menu option
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nb. you may well be wondering why I think that the MM5 facilities are an improvement over MM4 ... it may be a close run thing, but I think that they are a quicker, albeit slightly dirty, search and filter facility, than offered by MM4 ... they are available in-place, where ever I am, without having to muck about with the Media Tree, and the Media Tree involved dealing with great long vertical lists that were made more difficult because I allocate very little width to that column.
