Re: iPhone/iPod Touch 2.0 Firmware isn't compatible with MM
Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:17 pm
I echo fros1y's sentiment. Well stated, fros1y.
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Well yes that is true but it looks to me that it caught the developers by surprise too, based on their response. A good company would also warn potential buyers and good software would check before it would mess up the device that it was not compatible. I admit I was so excited that something supported the iphone and I did not read the fine print but then again there were no warning labels or fine print when reading about the product. I would have to have gone to the support site to find that out. Support sites are meant for people who already have a product. Also you might be computer savvy but many people are just users and don't have the time nor desire to be a geek and so the software needs to warn or not sync. Like other applications. Are we lazy maybe but so are the developers for not doing version checking.I thought you were supposed to check device compatability before running software on it or against it, not after? Isn't that what things like support pages and forums are for? Or are they simply a place for lazy people to complain?
So using that logic I should expect to find warnings/messages on Microsoft's, Winamps, Itunes etc.... pages/documentation whether an update which Creative creates will interfere or destroy my product? Or better yet, Apple, Microsoft, Creative, Sansa or any other portable device should send notification to all vendors/companies when they are creating updates to their products in order for these vendors to provide updates to their customers in advance?cosnet wrote:
Well yes that is true but it looks to me that it caught the developers by surprise too, based on their response. A good company would also warn potential buyers and good software would check before it would mess up the device that it was not compatible. I admit I was so excited that something supported the iphone and I did not read the fine print but then again there were no warning labels or fine print when reading about the product. I would have to have gone to the support site to find that out. Support sites are meant for people who already have a product. Also you might be computer savvy but many people are just users and don't have the time nor desire to be a geek and so the software needs to warn or not sync. Like other applications. Are we lazy maybe but so are the developers for not doing version checking.
Do you mean that Apple really could change the hash key with their abundant iTunes and firmware upgrades? As far as I have heard, from July 11th, there have been already two small firmware versions (2.0.2 at the moment). This is really hard to endure.fros1y wrote:But that's the whole problem! Apple can do this over and over again. It costs them very little. Each firmware+iTunes bump could break this. In fact, future updates to normal iPods could change the hash too. There doesn't seem to be anything special about this on the iPhone or iPod Touch. In the long run, Apple can probably always win and you should probably never count on MediaMonkey, or other syncing apps, for the long term.
Well Botjio, I have no idea if they would, but they absolutely could repeatedly change the hash. Now, it is true that once Apple introduced the hash to the iPod iTunesDB some years ago, they have not changed it. This is despite the very public breaking of the hash. It's what MediaMonkey still relies on. There have obviously been new iPod models and new iPod firmwares since then. That would seem to suggest that Apple doesn't actually care all that much--but then why put a cryptographic hash on in the first place? This has always been a bit confusing.botijo wrote:Do you mean that Apple really could change the hash key with their abundant iTunes and firmware upgrades? As far as I have heard, from July 11th, there have been already two small firmware versions (2.0.2 at the moment). This is really hard to endure.
Yes you are required to update to a compatible version of software when you plug in an iPhone 3g but of course you don't have to update an older iPhone unless you go to version 2 of the firmware. Also you are notified when there are updates to any Apple application you have installed like Quicktime or iTunes. The App Store application on the iphone will also automatically notify you of any updates to applications without even connecting to the Computer. Of course you can opt to not update any.am curious, how does the itunes software communicate with the ipod, when you open itunes are you required to update to the latest version?