Ipod 5.5g Won't Shuffle Playlists Over 40,000 Songs

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Ipod 5.5g Won't Shuffle Playlists Over 40,000 Songs

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I have a slight issue with my ipod and have searched everywhere online but have not found any answers. It is a 5.5g ipod Video with a 240gb HD stuffed inside of it that was working just fine. :D I have a music collection of over 60,000 songs ripped at high quality. (I own a record store and have been collecting CDs since I was about eight years old in case you are wondering.) Anyway, I really wanted to auto convert everything down to VBR 100kbps mp3s on my ipod so that I could fit my whole collection onto my ipod at acceptable quality. However, after weeks of converting in baby steps, I got to over 40,000 songs on my ipod and I realized that it no longer would shuffle songs from the main menu. It would just stop whatever I am playing and freeze for about 15 seconds; then it would go back to normal with no music playing and nothing in the now playing slot. It seems that if the “playlist” is over 40k songs long, the ipod just freaks out and just gives up and pretends you never asked it to play the list. I tried creating a playlist of all my songs and the ipod won’t play it in order either. If I go into the songs node on my ipod and select a song to play, it doesn’t work either. Long story short, anything over about 40,000 tracks any my ipod won’t play the list.

I love to shuffle all of my albums or songs on my ipod and would really hope that my dream of an ipod with 60,000 tracks can become a reality!

By the way, I am also using the newest version of MediaMonkey Gold and absolutely LOVE IT!!!! Have recommended it to many people! THANK YOU MEDIAMONKEY!
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Re: Ipod 5.5g Won't Shuffle Playlists Over 40,000 Songs

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Sounds like an iPod limitation to me, not sure what you can possibly do about it.
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Okay, that makes sense... Does MediaMonkey sync with ipods hacked with RockBox? I'm not sure if I'm ready to take the plunge yet, but as long as my warranty is already voided, I might as well. Thank you for the quick response!
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cooperg21 wrote:Okay, that makes sense... Does MediaMonkey sync with ipods hacked with RockBox? I'm not sure if I'm ready to take the plunge yet, but as long as my warranty is already voided, I might as well. Thank you for the quick response!
Sure: http://www.mediamonkey.com/support/inde ... ticleid=12
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Is there anything MediaMonkey can't do?!?!? :)

However............. I was reading all of the really cool stuff RockBox can do................ and came to find out that their limit is 32,000 songs per playlist!!!!!!!!!!!! :x (8000 less than I could have with the original ipod firmware...) Oh well, back to the drawing board I guess.....

Thanks again for all of your help nohitter151. You are a true saint among men.
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cooperg21 wrote:Is there anything MediaMonkey can't do?!?!? :)

However............. I was reading all of the really cool stuff RockBox can do................ and came to find out that their limit is 32,000 songs per playlist!!!!!!!!!!!! :x (8000 less than I could have with the original ipod firmware...) Oh well, back to the drawing board I guess.....

Thanks again for all of your help nohitter151. You are a true saint among men.
Ah, that's a shame. Well, at least you could try to create some auto-playlists and limit them to 40,000 tracks or something.
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That's not a bad idea. I was thinking about organizing all of my genres and then going from there or something. However I have a new issue that just came up... If this deserves to be on a new post, just let me know and I can repost. Anyways, while I was autoconverting overnight, my computer automatically installed some updates and forced a restart while I was asleep. :evil: When I went to see how far along the autoconvert was, my screen just showed that windows was shutting down (for hours....) Anyway, when I restarted and autosynced my ipod again through MM, it seemed to pick up where it left off. However, when it was done and I safely removed my ipod; No songs showed up on the ipod! It said that it was mostly full but that it had 0 songs, 0 videos, and 0 photos. Basically empty. I had this issue before, but when I did a hard reset, everything worked fine. Either my ipod is way too full now, or I corrupted my ipod DB. I tried syncing a few photos with itunes but it did nothing. Everything showed up fine in MM and itunes when I connected my ipod but when I disconnected, nothing shows up... If I Rebuild the device, will it take weeks? Do you think that it will help? I'm not exactly sure what it does. I really don't want to have to start from scratch, I've spent over a month trying to get everything converted to this ipod. Thank you very, very much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thats an unfortunate consequence of stopping in the middle of the sync to an iPod, the iPod database becomes corrupted. You could try rebuilding it, but I have no idea if it will work. The only sure fire way to fix will be to resync...
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Well, I tried Rebuilding the Database and it didn't work....... Can you think of any way that I can keep the sync that I have now, or at least a way to resync using the converted files? (It The only thing that I can think of would be to copy the converted files off of my ipod and move them onto another hard drive. Then just sync those files onto my ipod. However, I'm not sure how I would add new tracks and when I rate a song (or play one) on my ipod, I would really like it to update the information on my hard drive automatically.

Another option that I think might work in theory is:
1. find an 500gb external harddrive and resync all of my music to it (after I tell MediaMonkey it is a Mass Storage Device). (That way, anything that is changed on the hard drive, will be changed on my higher bitrate songs.)
2. Backup both the converted songs, and my MediaMonkey DB. That way, if anything were to happen to my harddrive, or MediaMonkey, I would have a backup.
3. Sync my external harddrive to my ipod. This would take a fraction of the time because the files are already converted.
4. Then after I use my ipod for a bit, I can sync it to my external again.
5. Then I can sync my external to my harddrive.
6. Then hopefully, all updates from my ipod would be synced to my main harddrive.

Please let me know if you think that this will work. Syncing directly to my ipod is a great option, but I just need something more secure. (It takes hundreds of hours to convert my music....) I'm just not sure if I can sync my ipod to a "Mass Storage Device" AKA an external harddrive.

Thanks again nohitter151, you have been a HUGE help! If you or anyone else can come up with any other Ideas, I would love to hear them. Thanks again, again! :)



UPDATE:

Tried reducing the amount of songs to about 38,000 and when I first started it up, it showed nothing. Then I did a reset (Held center and menu) and it worked!!!! (Sort of) I still can’t shuffle all of my songs, and the one playlist that I synced doesn’t show up, and the ipod says that I have about 44,000 songs on it… But I can play a whole lot of songs now!!!!!!!!! :D

I would still like a more secure way to sync my music, (ideally without having to reset my ipod after every sync). so if the above mentioned plan seems like it would work, please let me know. I don’t know why my ipod says that I have so many more songs than I do. You are probably right, it probably corrupted my database on my ipod…

If I use the method above (and it works) I guess that I could sync with RockBox… I could also have a low bitrate version of all my music…. Let me know what you think. Thanks again!!!!



Also, on a side note. How do I change my registry to do a dual boot with RockBox and my orig ipod firmware? I copy and pasted part of the link that nohitter kindly sent me.

2) If you plan on using both Rockbox and the Apple firmware, you'll need to

sync your iPod with the iPod plugin. By default, syncing .m3u playlists

with the iPod plugin is disabled.



MediaMonkey 2.5.5 and higher can get around this limitation

through a small change to the registry:


For MediaMonkey 3.x.x:

1) Create a DWORD value:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER/Software/MediaMonkey/Device/iPod/

{Serial number here}/EnableM3UConfiguration

2) Set the value to '1'



After making this change, the plug-in will allow you to enable

the 'Copy Playlists' option which will cause .m3u playlists to

sync to the iPod.
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cooperg21 wrote: Also, on a side note. How do I change my registry to do a dual boot with RockBox and my orig ipod firmware?
Dual booting has nothing to do with MM, this is handled by your iPod. Consult the rockbox documentation for how to dual boot.
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Sorry, I was wondering how to change my MediaMonkey ipod plugin registry to allow .m3u playlists.

Also, do you think that using an external harddrive will work as a middleman or buffer for my ipod (as described above)

Thanks again for all of your help!!!!!!!! Sorry to be such a bother...
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cooperg21 wrote:Sorry, I was wondering how to change my MediaMonkey ipod plugin registry to allow .m3u playlists.
That is what the registry change does, allows writing of .m3u playlists to the ipod in addition to the normal iPod database playlists (this allows for both iPod and rockbox firmware to have playlists).
Also, do you think that using an external harddrive will work as a middleman or buffer for my ipod (as described above)

Thanks again for all of your help!!!!!!!! Sorry to be such a bother...
I don't see why it wouldn't work, though importing all of that into MM could really create a mess in terms of duplicate files. Not to mention you can't retrive any playlist information from an iPod, so you'd have to recreate all of your playlists.
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nohitter151 wrote:
cooperg21 wrote:Sorry, I was wondering how to change my MediaMonkey ipod plugin registry to allow .m3u playlists.
That is what the registry change does, allows writing of .m3u playlists to the ipod in addition to the normal iPod database playlists (this allows for both iPod and rockbox firmware to have playlists).
Thanks, but how do I change the registry to allow for this. I can find d_iPod.dll but I have no idea how to change it. I tried opening with notepad but i couldn't make sense of it... Just a lot of blank boxes....

nohitter151 wrote:
cooperg21 wrote:Also, do you think that using an external harddrive will work as a middleman or buffer for my ipod (as described above)

Thanks again for all of your help!!!!!!!! Sorry to be such a bother...
I don't see why it wouldn't work, though importing all of that into MM could really create a mess in terms of duplicate files. Not to mention you can't retrive any playlist information from an iPod, so you'd have to recreate all of your playlists.
That is a great point! I didn't think about all of the duplicate titles within MediaMonkey. Along with the playlist issues... I guess I'll try my luck with RockBox if I can get it to work and go from there... Thanks again!
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cooperg21 wrote:
nohitter151 wrote:
cooperg21 wrote:Sorry, I was wondering how to change my MediaMonkey ipod plugin registry to allow .m3u playlists.
That is what the registry change does, allows writing of .m3u playlists to the ipod in addition to the normal iPod database playlists (this allows for both iPod and rockbox firmware to have playlists).
Thanks, but how do I change the registry to allow for this. I can find d_iPod.dll but I have no idea how to change it. I tried opening with notepad but i couldn't make sense of it... Just a lot of blank boxes....
Oh, I guess you don't know how to edit the registry.

What Operating system are you using, so I can give you specific instructions?
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Yeah, sorry I'm not sure how to edit the registry. I'm using windows XP Service Pack 2. Any help you could provide would be greatly appreciated!
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