Rvan wrote:Another method for fix it without own server?
yogu wrote:man... I really miss Lyricator!!
So, lemme ask ya;'ll, there's a new version in the works? I can't find any other batch lyrics taggers on the web.
. Not yet, anyway,
Just checking into this thread after seeing the dreaded "lyricsvip.com" results....
I have hosting with unlimited bandwidth, I could try hosting the .PHP file if someone actively working on it wants to PM me with instructions. No time tonight to go through 9 pages of thread posts.
BTW, anyone know what happened to our Lyricator primary developer?
Or point me to the post with the most recent instructions for hosting the .php file online.
My offer to host is open only so long as the .php file uses an open API on a cooperating search site(s). I do reserve the right to remove it without notice ... but won't unless necessary.
This is what happen.
- 1.) Lyricator uses a site called lyricsplugin.com, which got its results from lyricsvip.com.
2.) LyricsPlugin.com changed its API, which disabled the correct lyrics given to Mediamonkey.
3.) Between ripken204, Semmetju, vlatro and Canoa, they came up with a fix, however the solution was web based.
4.) I hosted the "fix".
5.) LyricsPlugin.com then blocked my hosting.
It used to look like: MediaMonkey (Lyrictor) -> LyricsPlugin.com -> LyricsVIP.com
So with the old solution: MediaMonkey (Lyrictor) -> SquirrelScript.net -> LyricsPlugin.com -> LyricsVIP.com
Now... How to get it working again?
- 1.) we can keep replacing the host for the old solution (aka the bit where it says "SquirrelScript.net"), but when LyricsPlugin blocks the new host, it will not work again.
2.) Each user, sets up their own web server, host it themselves . This would be a lot harder to block, however not everyone would be able to do this.
3.) We can re-code it to bypass the middle men, and pull the lyrics from lyricsvip. Hopefully this can be done straight from MediaMonkey
The last option is the best option, however. It needs the most work. Right now, I haven't got the time to do it.
I'm not sure whats happen to the primary developer or the person that took it over.
Its really kind of you davidbspalding to host it, but it would only be a "temp" fix as well as other scripts for other programs can quickly "update" to use your hosting.
Also we wouldn't be able to give protection - because the script is all open source - therefore it would be only too easy to see the protection
Rvan wrote:SquirrelScript, we need you, please!
Sorry for the delay, I haven't got much free time at the mo as I'm moving house. I haven't yet got the internet there (I'm currently catching up with stuff at a mates house)
BlueDragon wrote:if you provide the php file on your webserver to be used by everybody, isn't it very likely that you will be blocked too?
Yep. It would only be a temp fix.
davidbspalding wrote:I need a little background info ... who would be blocking me?
i guess http://www.lyricsplugin.com
look at the lyrics.php and you might see that the lyrics come from that site.
When you run Lyricator, Mediamonkey calls the lyrics.php which takes the text from lyricsplugin.com and sends it to MM.
And it's not very difficult to block a certain website to access your own website.
That means that everytime a site gets blocked we have to update Lyricator and find a new server
Yep. This is why we need to find a new "fix". Either:
MediaMonkey -> LyricsVIP.com *BEST*
MediaMonkey -> SquirrelScript.net -> LyricsVIP.com
So I thought that a continuing problem is having a host site who can take calls from everybody's MM. But if LyricsPlugin.com is blocking third party sites from hitting them via a PHP page,... my hosting is a temporary solution, right?
Has anyone reached out to them DIRECTLY and asked them to let MediaMonkey Lyricator query them? Either directly, or through an online third party host? If they're willing to let one third party site do it, and throttle on their end the queries, that would get us to home plate, eh?
I can't find a contact # in their domain registration, and their front page only offers WinAmp and WMP plug-ins ... I'd like to talk to someone, perhaps they'd be willing to take on Lyricator support. Or tell us to blow off, they only want plugins "displaying" lyrics, not downloading them as plain text.
(Lyricsplugin.com blurb: Lyrics Plugin is a piece of software tailored for music fans. To put it simply - it is an add-on to view lyrics in WinAmp or Windows Media Player. No more searching for lyrics. Just start listening to your favourite songs and lyrics will be displayed automatically. Oh, and if lyrics is not found, you can add it yourself
Yes, its only a temp fix.
The problem is, there is no way of letting our "MediaMonkey" requests.
They can't unblock squirrelscript.net, as then other sites/scripts can just use that to access their site.
They cant put protection on the mediamoney script, becase the script is all open source, they can just see whats what!
The only real fix is to bypass them (LyricsPlugin)
only want plugins "displaying" lyrics, not downloading them as plain text.
http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewto ... or#p270157
lytninb wrote:Okay, I've read and read and am confused. Can anyone point me in the right direction on how to use this extension? Go here, go there, download this, move here, update that.... I'm lost.
Thanks in advance.
OK guys here's my question why not have trix or some of the other scriptors write a script that will allow us to share lyrics? IT will simply allow us to upload lyrics to a specified MM users site available to registered MM users. It would seem to be the ideal solution,for example I must have 15 to 16 thousand RnB or funk, blues lyrics in my MM data right now PROBABLY more. If we could get the database going and allow MM to share the lyrics when we are connected through the script it would greatly off set all the problems with lyrics databases? In a few weeks we could have a significant resource
If the idea panned out we could get it added to main program or pay an annual fee if we need a DEDICATED SERVER. I'd love something like it at least the idea desires discussion
Its a great idea! Its just a question of, time and Hosting/Cost and making sure that they are the "correct" lyrics, a quicker way would be to use a database which is already setup.
jimmy1one wrote:(Emphasis added)
... write a script that will allow us to share lyrics? IT will simply allow us to upload lyrics to a specified MM users site available to registered MM users. It would seem to be the ideal solution,for example I must have 15 to 16 thousand RnB or funk, blues lyrics in my MM data right now PROBABLY more. If we could get the database going and allow MM to share the lyrics when we are connected through the script it would greatly off set all the problems with lyrics databases? .. at least the idea desires discussion
Well, that's a great idea. Let me know when you've resolved the legal issues of hosting copyrighted (ASCAP) lyrics on a third party site.
Next hurdle. If you want to limit it only to licensed MM users, then the script would have to send a license key/number in the request, which would then have to tie in with Ventis Media's license dB.
Not discouraging the idea, mind you.
This could only be done by the official MediaMonkey team - as I believe they are the only people that have access to license key/number. Plus they would have a hard time to authorize users (keeping users license key/number encrypted)
It's not working properly at the moment there is an issue with the site. Some of us use Lyricator batch files as a away to compare and authenticate songs in our database. IMO humble as it maybe it is indeed a non profit and educational effort, discography in its true form. In fact there is no other way to tell if the particular song is indeed being performed by the represented artist on the asserted album without being able to verify the lyrics. A lot of us buy discographies rather than hunt down the original release mainly due to costs. However in most cases even when the material has been remastered the content of the original release and the discography version are not the same nor is the quality. Now comes the fun part finding the original release and comparing the results. It's a hobby, a labor of love there's no way to make a profit from it, just a way for folks like me to discuss and enjoy our music.
Trix says it would be a massive effort. Depending on the implementation is what I gather from his post, I don't think the script would be massive clearly he must be talking about maintaining the database something needs to be done. When anyone tells me something is illegal and a simple search reveals 144,000,000 hits of the purported illegal act it kind of rubs me the wrong way. Back in the day programmers use to take offense if they were told you can't do this now they seem to give up without even discussing how it could be done. Remember when we were told we could not rip our own CDs or record music steaming from the net
Yes it would be a HUGE effort.
Just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean its legal, plus just because "everyone" else is doing it, still doesn't make it legal too.