Using Rendezvous proxy with MM

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markstuartwalker
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Using Rendezvous proxy with MM

Post by markstuartwalker » Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:30 am

Here's a slightly off-topic item ... how to listen to iTunes over the internet via their homesharing facilities. This isn't usually possible as the DAAP protocol requires a broadcast which doesn't traverse routers so it's limited to the local subnet. This uses a local proxy (rendezvous proxy) which pretends to be an iTunes streaming server. http://www.sys-admin.co.uk/?p=82

By using the d_itunes plugin I can sync my MM to an instance of iTunes and use the above technique to stream it to a remote location.

Can I do this with MM?
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Running MM under Mac OS X with Wine http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewto ... =4&t=58507

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Re: Using Rendezvous proxy with MM

Post by Lowlander » Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:07 pm

You're supposed to be able to listen to MediaMonkey's DLNA server if you open ports in Router and have a client you can direct to a specific DLNA server (some smartphone apps can do this, not sure about desktop software).

Keep us updated on any success.
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Re: Using Rendezvous proxy with MM

Post by markstuartwalker » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:51 pm

No it doesn't work unless your DLNA client can manually "point" to the correct IP address. DLNA uses similar auto discover techniques (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Ser ... y_Protocol) to Apple's bonjour protocols. Both work via network broadcasts which are limited to the local network only.
Windows 7,8 / Ubuntu 13.10 / Mavericks 10.9 / iOS 7.1 / iTunes 11.1
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Running MM under Mac OS X with Wine http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewto ... =4&t=58507

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Re: Using Rendezvous proxy with MM

Post by Ludek » Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:13 am


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Re: Using Rendezvous proxy with MM

Post by markstuartwalker » Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:58 am

Does anyone know the URL necessary to connect to MM? iTunes uses daap://ip:port.

What is the equivalent for MM?
Windows 7,8 / Ubuntu 13.10 / Mavericks 10.9 / iOS 7.1 / iTunes 11.1
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Running MM under Mac OS X with Wine http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewto ... =4&t=58507

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Re: Using Rendezvous proxy with MM

Post by Lowlander » Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:55 pm

Not sure, try http://<IP>:<Port>/DeviceDescription.xml
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Re: Using Rendezvous proxy with MM

Post by Ludek » Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:52 pm

Lowlander wrote:Not sure, try http://<IP>:<Port>/DeviceDescription.xml
Yes, you are right, as described here:
http://www.mediamonkey.com/wiki/index.p ... ervers/4.0

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Re: Using Rendezvous proxy with MM

Post by markstuartwalker » Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:16 am

Ok, I've looked at VLC, XBMC and WMP but I'm unable to see on any of them where I can enter a manual http://127.0.0.1:19999/DeviceDescription.xml path. Can someone post a step by step example please.
Windows 7,8 / Ubuntu 13.10 / Mavericks 10.9 / iOS 7.1 / iTunes 11.1
iTunes plugin (d_itunes & itunes4) http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewto ... =2&t=45713
Running MM under Mac OS X with Wine http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewto ... =4&t=58507

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Re: Using Rendezvous proxy with MM

Post by khelsing » Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:57 am

markstuartwalker wrote:I'm unable to see on any of them where I can enter a manual http://127.0.0.1:19999/DeviceDescription.xml path.
AFAIK there's no UPnP-AV/DLNA client for desktop computers which supports this. Wouldn't make much sense, anyway, as DLNA wasn't designed to work outside of local area networks.

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Re: Using Rendezvous proxy with MM

Post by markstuartwalker » Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:27 am

DLNA happens not to work outside of the local subnet. The reason for this is that it uses UDP broadcasts to auto-discover the services on the other DLNA servers. But this restriction is only for auto-discovery, the actual media playing is possible from a different subnet (it uses TCP and this can be routed through gateways). So if a manual mechanism is introduced to 'auto-discover' the DLNA server then connections can work as normal.

I think that is what is being considered here http://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=8100
Windows 7,8 / Ubuntu 13.10 / Mavericks 10.9 / iOS 7.1 / iTunes 11.1
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Running MM under Mac OS X with Wine http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewto ... =4&t=58507

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Re: Using Rendezvous proxy with MM

Post by khelsing » Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:29 am

markstuartwalker wrote:So if a manual mechanism is introduced to 'auto-discover' the DLNA server then connections can work as normal.
I know of one or two DNLA clients on Android which support this "manual" approach. However, allowing access to the local DLNA server from the internet has several major disadvantages. First of all there might be security issues. The typical upload speed of today's internet connections is very limited, therefore navigating the music collection will be quite slow. Furthermore accessing the DLNA server at home from the internet can result in heavy traffic.

IMO a free or low-cost service like Google Music, MP3tunes or iTunes Match is a much better alternative.

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Re: Using Rendezvous proxy with MM

Post by markstuartwalker » Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:29 pm

I understand the security implications. I'm using an encrypted ssh tunnel as it traverses a firewall too.

I have used SubSonic sucessfully over a similar link. The speed is surprisingly acceptable.
Windows 7,8 / Ubuntu 13.10 / Mavericks 10.9 / iOS 7.1 / iTunes 11.1
iTunes plugin (d_itunes & itunes4) http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewto ... =2&t=45713
Running MM under Mac OS X with Wine http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewto ... =4&t=58507

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Re: Using Rendezvous proxy with MM

Post by markstuartwalker » Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:16 am

Any news for a beta for the manually entered DLNA server facilities?
Windows 7,8 / Ubuntu 13.10 / Mavericks 10.9 / iOS 7.1 / iTunes 11.1
iTunes plugin (d_itunes & itunes4) http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewto ... =2&t=45713
Running MM under Mac OS X with Wine http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewto ... =4&t=58507

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Re: Using Rendezvous proxy with MM

Post by markstuartwalker » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:24 am

This doesn't seem to be in the 4.0.5.1481 build :-(
Windows 7,8 / Ubuntu 13.10 / Mavericks 10.9 / iOS 7.1 / iTunes 11.1
iTunes plugin (d_itunes & itunes4) http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewto ... =2&t=45713
Running MM under Mac OS X with Wine http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewto ... =4&t=58507

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Re: Using Rendezvous proxy with MM

Post by nohitter151 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:08 am

markstuartwalker wrote:This doesn't seem to be in the 4.0.5.1481 build :-(
It's planned for MM 4.1:
http://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=8100
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