Configuration of SMB server

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heinz
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Configuration of SMB server

Post by heinz » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:05 am

Dear All,

would be so great, if I could find a solution here for the following questions:

(Desired) Setup:
PC with Windows 10
Hifi Network-Player (NAD C658), which can only SMB protocoll (and no UpnP / DLNA)
Fritzbox 6490 / 7490

The PC has to be connected wireless with the Streaming-Player (no cable possible)

The Network-Player NAD C658 has it's own Desktop-App (BluOS), which could be installed on my PC.
But I am willing to continue streaming my music with MediaMonkey!

I am not familar with SMB servers and would need a step-by-step explanation, how to configure above mentioned setup
in order to stream wirelessly from my PC to the Network-Player using MediaMonkey MMW.

Who could help here, would be great.

Thanks in advance and best regards
heinz

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Re: Configuration of SMB server

Post by Peke » Sun Dec 29, 2019 11:18 am

Hi,
This is very nice, but very specific device with close development and left very little space for third party apps unfortunately.

NAD C 658:
Info https://nadelectronics.com/product/c-65 ... aming-dac/
Manual https://nadelectronics.com/wp-content/u ... OM_v06.pdf

That said here is what I think. You have three options based on Device description:
1. You can try MediaMonkey AirPlay output https://www.mediamonkey.com/addons/brow ... ay-output/ to see if it will recognize NAD

2. From What I see NAD supports BT receiver Mode, so it is possible to use PC with BT dongle (v5.0 if supported by NAD, Which is prefered due the better quality of an Audio BT stream) and then connect to NAD which should allow MM to allocate NAD as output Device over BT Stream. NOT: There we some hit and misses, which highly depends on BT dongle and its features to register and allocate use of BT Audio as Windows Playback Sound Device

3. SMB/SAMBA/CIFS is Windows Network Share protocol that allow you to share folder on your PC to other devices on Network which means you can Share you Main Music folder over the network and then access it using NAD BlueOS app or with remote. This needs basic fundamental knowledge of LAN (Local Area Network)/WLAN (Wireless Local Area Network) and in case of Windows 10 few more settings needs to be done depending on SMB protocol supported by NAD (Windows removed some components, that needs to be re enabled) so also some Windows Administration/Setup Knowledge

4. Buying NAS device like QNAP/Synology with at least 2xHDD Slots (I prefer QNAP, but either would work for your needs and even more), where you will store all your music that you can manage with MediaMonkey over SMB share and organize them in desired Path/Filename.

5. Re purpose one PC to be Network Share (SMB) Server and only serve files controlled and Managed by MM on Main PC thru SMB in order that NAD can Access it.

Conclusion:
1. Works then it will be the fastest solution as it is mature plugin along with multiple user confirmations over the years that it works.
2. BT Dongles Are cheap, but poorly documented and it is Hit and Miss on each device (price do not influence features much as I have seen 3 USD devices work same as 25 USD ones). Also it is common that BT connection is unstable in some environments.
3. Cheapest of all as you already have hardware, but i would recommend Wired Connection due the fact that WiFi bandwidth can be tricky and not enough for Hi Res files (especially if you use that PC for other stuff. Downside is that You may need to find someone to set it up, which can introduce additional costs.
4. Most safest way as NAS do not take much power and Setup wizards are straight forward, some basic knowledge is needed but usually it comes to carefully reading on screen instructions. Downside is that it is costly as usually you need to buy NAS (200+USD), 2xHDDs (Same model and brand, NAS drives are nor cheap and I would not go below 6TB ATM) to set as mirror backup jut in case, I would also buy UPS to connect to NAS to have stable power for NAS due the fact it is powered 24/7.
5. Cheaper option to 4. (if you use some of our older PCS)but please note that desktop PCs are not designed to be powered 365/24/7 and Mirror backup is not always supported by all motherboards.

Suggestions:
I would try 1. then 3. and lastly 2. before you even think about 4. or 5. as they are more long term solution that come at cost (even I think they are worth the money every cent. With 4. solution as best overall due the nature of NAS Design and features that are more future proof)

I hope I have not risen too much confusion and answered few questions.

Lastly it is sad that 1.5k+ device do not support many of now standard protocols like DLNA (most likely due the price cuts which I find .... on their side) and open device to more broad user base, but from I read in manual it is designed as simple plug and play which can't replace more advanced features they simply ignored.
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Re: Configuration of SMB server

Post by heinz » Sun Dec 29, 2019 12:00 pm

Whow Pavle / Peke!!

Great summary!!!

But there are some questions remaining:

Re 1): Is Airplay, which is Apple, also running on a Windows PC?

Re 3): In this case I cannot use MMW any longer and have to change to the BluOS-App, is that correct? (this I would like to avoid....)

Re 5): I have currently running a PC with MMW, so no extra cost and I intend to buy NAD C658 the next days.
The Network-Player will be also used for HiRes streaming like Deezer or similar, for this I need the BluOS-App, that's ok for me.
But all existing files on my PC I would like to manage and play with MMW.
I do not understand the difference between 3) and 5) completely, in both cases the SMP protocoll is used.
Is it, because in option 3) I have to use BluOS-App and in option 5) the access is managed via the NAD C658 and not via MMW from my PC?

Thanks for help in advance
heinz

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Re: Configuration of SMB server

Post by Peke » Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:20 pm

Hi,
1. It is Wireless streaming protocol made by Apple, not just Apple thing, so that plugin uses it.

3. No you can't avoid that NAD is very closed and from what I see they do not allow others to access/temper with. You will need MMW to Manage and organize files on SMB Share, but yes you can't use MMW for Playback.

5. Based on your reply this is explanation for 3. not 5. as in 5. you will have Dedicated PC act as NAS not same one like in case of 3.

Hint: Personally if I have not bought NAD yet, I would rather try to find different device for the same amount of money. Personally at that price range (around 1500€) there are more devices and brands that I would consider than NAD and they are more open to third party applications. Even they do not have SMB access. I would also consider more expensive NAS like QNAP that fully have Media Center and can be connected to Amp than Streaming Player and also it can be much much more than simple Streaming player. It is your choice, but personally I would not choose NAD exclusively. Again that is just me.

Check https://www.head-fi.org/ for example whose opinions I respect.
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Re: Configuration of SMB server

Post by heinz » Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:30 pm

Hi Peke,

thanks again for your input, which I will consider.
heinz

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