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Re: [REQ] Exit Button

Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 12:49 pm
by dtsig
Really ... that is what they are talking about. Oh my. We need a simple 'Exit' or 'Close' IN MMA. Probably best in the menu but somewhere. Not stop mma, then exit it, then pull down, then select stop. Leave this stop in. No reason to remove it but add a Exit on the menu that stops and closes out MMA completely. Please.

Having just tried it i find an oddness that I will post in another topic.

Re: [REQ] Exit Button

Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 5:49 pm
by rovingcowboy
Yea i found it cumbersome too but letting the music play while going to the home screen is something one would normally do on a phone so it is a good idea to leave it in the tray but would be nice in the menu too and even better to have them work :wink:

Re: [REQ] Exit Button

Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:55 pm
by mcow
dtsig wrote: We need a simple 'Exit' or 'Close' IN MMA.
The Stop button on the notification-tray icon is good enough because it kills the icon, with the extra bonus that it stops the track. If the icon is visible, then the track is in progress and can be resumed. I find this satisfactory, because it gives a more useful meaning to the icon. I would like to Stop from the MMW Now Playing window...
Having just tried it i find an oddness that I will post in another topic.
Yeah, I saw that too.

Re: [REQ] Exit Button

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:10 am
by dtsig
mcow wrote: ... I find this satisfactory ...
I guess if 'satisfactory' is what we are going for ... then okay :)

Re: [REQ] Exit Button

Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:45 pm
by mcow
It's just that I can't get exercised about "removing the program from memory" or from the task list or whatever. I'm willing to trust Android's process management. I don't see the point of a feature that's counter to the OS guidelines.

Re: [REQ] Exit Button

Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:28 pm
by rovingcowboy
Its better GUI design to place an exit / off buttton in the menu to allow the User to close the program manually when the user may have been in the programs pages or menu listings for 10 or more pages then to make them use the back button and go backwards through them all to close the program, even simple games provide an exit button to exit the game, i understand MM developers not wanting one but it will be impossible for mass users to enjoy the MMA version when they have no way of exiting the program except the back button. 8)

Re: [REQ] Exit Button

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:56 am
by BigInJapan
Good points by rovingcowboy. I'd also like the throw in the notion that this is a beta. We're all donating a lot of time to help test this out. I, and probably most here, happily go into this knowing things are going to go wrong. It's frustrating though that when things do go wrong, it's unnecessarily tedious to kill the app. Even if it gets yanked before the final release, it would be nice to have a kill switch for the time being.

Re: [REQ] Exit Button

Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:27 pm
by rovingcowboy
MMA'S Stop button is still not working it just sits there in the notification tray and mock's me each time i click it on my phone.

Re: [REQ] Exit Button

Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 3:44 am
by Barry4679
rovingcowboy wrote:Its better GUI design to place an exit / off buttton in the menu to allow the User to close the program manually when the user may have been in the programs pages or menu listings for 10 or more pages then to make them use the back button and go backwards through them all to close the program, even simple games provide an exit button to exit the game, i understand MM developers not wanting one but it will be impossible for mass users to enjoy the MMA version when they have no way of exiting the program except the back button. 8)
Not saying that I wouldn't appreciate an exit button in the MMA menu too, but I think that the existing design is preferable if there is to be only one exit button.

Since the android UI is set up for multi-tasking, the chances are that I would be elsewhere when I need to terminate the music and would like to close the app. The existing UI allows me to do this from the shade w/o needing to re-enter the app.

PowerAmp works the same way.

Re: [REQ] Exit Button

Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 2:30 pm
by rovingcowboy
But the thing is the stop button in the tray does not show up until you have closed mma & use the widget player, not many like to do that when they are making playlists of all the different albums by going into the different albums and picking songs, having to close to widget to exit mma is not best way, and the tray stop button does not work on my phone it is useless .

Re: [REQ] Exit Button

Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 2:39 pm
by rovingcowboy
Just upgraded to mma 126 beta and the tray stop close button is working now on my android phone.

Re: [REQ] Exit Button

Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 7:41 am
by captainmcl
I do not have lock screen controls or play/pause/stop in the tray, but I assume that is because I am on a 2.3 version of Android. (The stock music player does have these features, though.)

All of this discussion seems very strange to me -- it has the feeling of one user after another making the case for the exit button (either in the tray or the menu, or why not both?), and the developers repeatedly telling the users that they don't need it. I realize that's a gross generalization of the thread, but if so many users want it (and I would add my vote to that), doesn't that mean by definition that it is a desired feature?

Re: [REQ] Exit Button

Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 9:00 am
by Barry4679
Maybe the developers are correct.

I just looked through my installed Android apps. Most don't have an Exit button on their menu, especially those which set up, and then allow later interaction with, a long running background task or service, which is how a music player can be seen.
Other examples; Facebook, Twitter, other Music app such as Sonos & PowerAmp, Drive, FireFox, Chrome, Email, Evernote

Maybe this is considered best practice in Android.

Maybe the case can be made that the existence of an Exit option in the main menu sets up the presumption that, like in a traditional OS, the user needs to revisit the app in order to close and reclaim resources.

Re: [REQ] Exit Button

Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 10:01 am
by joltman
Barry4679 wrote:Maybe the developers are correct.

I just looked through my installed Android apps. Most don't have an Exit button on their menu, especially those which set up, and then allow later interaction with, a long running background task or service, which is how a music player can be seen.
Other examples; Facebook, Twitter, other Music app such as Sonos & PowerAmp, Drive, FireFox, Chrome, Email, Evernote

Maybe this is considered best practice in Android.

Maybe the case can be made that the existence of an Exit option in the main menu sets up the presumption that, like in a traditional OS, the user needs to revisit the app in order to close and reclaim resources.
But PowerAmp does have an exit button when you pull down the Notification Shade. Being able to stop/close an app is needed if I want to use another media player that will also use headphones media buttons. I think so many people have asked for it, that it should probably be included.

Re: [REQ] Exit Button

Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 10:21 am
by Barry4679
joltman wrote: But PowerAmp does have an exit button when you pull down the Notification Shade.
You on the latest version of MMA (v 1.0.4.0126)?

MediaMonkey has an exit button on the notification shade just like PowerAmp. It is a square Stop button. PowerAmp's is an X.

Unlike PowerAmp, the MMA version only shows in the shade when you leave MMA via either the Home or Back button.