Album art does not always sync.

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Album art does not always sync.

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I keep a large collection of mp3 files on my Windows 7 computer, and sync it with my phone via USB. I keep album art embedded in each file. The "master collection" of the files is on the computer. I sync only from computer to phone, never from phone to computer. I often find better-quality album art and update the files on the computer, but not using Mediamonkey - my preferred metadata editors are Foobar2000 and mp3tag. I find that when I change the album art, it doesn't always carry over to Mediamonkey Android on the phone. IOW, even after I sync the phone, the old art is still visible in MMA. Obviously the art is cached somewhere... but where?? Is it on the phone? Is it on the computer? It's inconsistent - sometimes the new artwork shows up right away. Other times, not. One of the things I've tried is to delete the files on the phone, then sync with the computer, which I would think would copy the updated files (including their embedded art) to the phone. Sometimes this works, sometimes not.

The computer always displays the latest art. I wonder if manually selecting the file forces the cache to update? I certainly don't want to have to do this with every file I update unless it can be automated.

What can I do, on either the phone side or the computer side, to force MMA to display the new album art? Can I somehow force MMW and/or MMA to update their album art cache?
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Re: Album art does not always sync.

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If you update files outside of MediaMonkey you need to rescan the files in MediaMonkey (MMW) for MMW to see the changes.

So first check that MMW has the new Artworks, then check in MMW that the Timestamps of the files in have been changed.
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Re: Album art does not always sync.

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Lowlander wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:52 pm If you update files outside of MediaMonkey you need to rescan the files in MediaMonkey (MMW) for MMW to see the changes.

So first check that MMW has the new Artworks, then check in MMW that the Timestamps of the files in have been changed.
I do? I have MMW set to scan my library folders at startup and to continuously monitor them. I also do an 'Add/Rescan files to the library' (Ins) before I sync.

My observation is that if the files are altered outside of MMW, MMW automatically reflects the new timestamp with no intervention on my part.

When I update the embedded album art with Foobar2000 or mp3tag and then do an Add/Rescan in MMW, and then sync to my phone, I can see in the status messages that the new tags are being synced. And in fact, I never have a problem with altered tags not syncing - it's only new artwork that doesn't always display in MMA.
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Re: Album art does not always sync.

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I have observed something probably related although I do WIFI-Sync. The reason in my case was that there were some album art jpgs in my music directory in MMW originally which also were copied to MMA (as expected).
I finally moved all album art to the music files (FLAC and mp3) and deleted all jpgs remaining on my PC. A rescan of MMW resulted in what I had hoped for, every album art only in the music file.

Unfortunately this was not fully synced to MMA, on my smartphone (Samsung Galaxy S9, internal memory) the jpgs were not deleted by syncing, although I had selected "Delete other files and playlists from the device - All other media files" in the settings. And when I now changed the album art in MMW it did not change in MMA after syncing for those files that had a picture both in the file and as a separate jpg. It seems that always the separate jpg was shown and not the picture included in the music file.

I did a search through my music file directory on the smartphone for any jpg and I deleted all of those. Unfortunately that lead to many of my titles in MMA now showing no album art at all! It seems MMA just didn't check whether album art was included in the files. This didn't improve when I deinstalled and reinstalled the MMA app. Only fully deleting my music folder and also manually deleting the MediaMonkey folder on the smartphone before reinstalling the APP did the job. Now all my music in MMA shows the correct album art and also changes in MMW are fully reflected.

@rednoise

Maybe you could also check whether there are some jpg pictures in your music folder on the phone.
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Re: Album art does not always sync.

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If you can reproduce with Sync (either USB or wifi) from MediaMonkey 5 please report it then. There is also a new MMA release being published to the Play Store very soon.

Also make sure that all files on the Album (as MMW sees it) have the updated Artwork as MediaMonkey only syncs 1 Artwork per Album.
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Re: Album art does not always sync.

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Snofru wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:34 am I have observed something probably related although I do WIFI-Sync. The reason in my case was that there were some album art jpgs in my music directory in MMW originally which also were copied to MMA (as expected).
I finally moved all album art to the music files (FLAC and mp3) and deleted all jpgs remaining on my PC. A rescan of MMW resulted in what I had hoped for, every album art only in the music file.

Unfortunately this was not fully synced to MMA, on my smartphone (Samsung Galaxy S9, internal memory) the jpgs were not deleted by syncing, although I had selected "Delete other files and playlists from the device - All other media files" in the settings. And when I now changed the album art in MMW it did not change in MMA after syncing for those files that had a picture both in the file and as a separate jpg. It seems that always the separate jpg was shown and not the picture included in the music file.

I did a search through my music file directory on the smartphone for any jpg and I deleted all of those. Unfortunately that lead to many of my titles in MMA now showing no album art at all! It seems MMA just didn't check whether album art was included in the files. This didn't improve when I deinstalled and reinstalled the MMA app. Only fully deleting my music folder and also manually deleting the MediaMonkey folder on the smartphone before reinstalling the APP did the job. Now all my music in MMA shows the correct album art and also changes in MMW are fully reflected.

@rednoise

Maybe you could also check whether there are some jpg pictures in your music folder on the phone.
I hadn't thought about the possible presence of other image files in the same folder as the audio files. I don't usually do that, but probably do sometimes. I guess I assumed that the embedded ones would take precedence, but maybe no. I will watch for that and report back. Thanks for the suggestion.
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Re: Album art does not always sync.

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Lowlander wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:44 pm If you can reproduce with Sync (either USB or wifi) from MediaMonkey 5 please report it then. There is also a new MMA release being published to the Play Store very soon.

Also make sure that all files on the Album (as MMW sees it) have the updated Artwork as MediaMonkey only syncs 1 Artwork per Album.
Is MMW 5 out yet? If so I will check it out immediately! I'll also watch for the new MMA.

It's got to be a caching thing in MMW or MMA. I suspect it's MMA because if a file has changed art I can see a brief status message in MMW flash by as I'm syncing that indicates that the artwork is syncing. And yet sometimes the artwork that MMA displays doesn't always show the new artwork.

For example, I just updated the artwork in one album (several tracks) on the computer. MMW displays the new art. I then synced my phone with MMW (Windows 7) via USB. The artwork on the phone did not change. So I did something that sometimes helps: I delete the album on the phone via MMA, then sync it again with the computer. I figure that MMA is smart enough to delete any cached images associated with the album when I delete it using its interface. And that a re-sync should copy fresh files and fresh artwork. This does NOT always work - sometimes the old art stubbornly persists - but this time it DID work.

I'll be mindful of your "1 art per album" warning. I try to avoid that, but every once in a while it happens.
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Re: Album art does not always sync.

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It's in Release Candidate stage: viewtopic.php?f=30&t=86639&sd=d
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Re: Album art does not always sync.

Post by Goldman288 »

I do have the same issue, too.
I tried to update the MP3 artwork, but it won't able to do it. I am using Window 10.
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Re: Album art does not always sync.

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Can you please provide more detail on the exact problem and tell us which build (Help > About) you're using?
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