Songs aren't tagged with the appropriate separator [#18357]

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Songs aren't tagged with the appropriate separator [#18357]

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In my library, I use "/" as a separator for artists and genres and other fields. Previously, when I set this in the settings, Mediamonkey would also tag files with that separator when tagging them directly from the list. Now, it uses "; " despite me having the setting set correctly and typing "/" when entering the tags. What gives?
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Re: Songs aren't tagged with the appropriate separator

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The separator set in MediaMonkey is only used within MediaMonkey for display. In the files tags the separator defined by the tagging standard is used.
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Re: Songs aren't tagged with the appropriate separator

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Lowlander wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:13 am The separator set in MediaMonkey is only used within MediaMonkey for display. In the files tags the separator defined by the tagging standard is used.
Well, this was not the case previously, and I would like to use "/" as my separator everywhere as I have been all this time. Is it not possible to include this as an option? Even if the previous behaviour was not intended, it was expected. Other programs I use to edit tags respect my choice of a separator.
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Re: Songs aren't tagged with the appropriate separator

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I doubt so, as it breaks compatibility with the tagging standard. MediaMonkey 4 should've tagged the same as MediaMonkey 5 in this regard.
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Re: Songs aren't tagged with the appropriate separator

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Lowlander wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:19 pm I doubt so, as it breaks compatibility with the tagging standard. MediaMonkey 4 should've tagged the same as MediaMonkey 5 in this regard.
Well, it didn't. Frankly, I know I'm not the only one who doesn't use "; " as a separator. Maybe it "breaks compatibility" with the tagging standard, but have you considered that it may also break compatibility with your users? Like jeez, way to blow me off. Options make everyone happy.
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Re: Songs aren't tagged with the appropriate separator

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Every format is different and has different way of storing multiple values of the same kind. E.g. ID3v2.4 in MP3 stores multiple values always as values separated by zero byte. And it is not possible to use different separator, as it would be against standard and other software would have problems with correct parsing of the data, we would create non-valid files. Also storing user defined separator to file and then changing user defined separator would cause, that previously written data would not be read correctly as separate values...
Could you be more specific, what exactly are you storing to what file format?
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Re: Songs aren't tagged with the appropriate separator

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I'm using MP3 files. My music player on my phone (Poweramp) has the ability to change the separator (both for tagging and for sorting). MP3Tag, the app I use to do mass tagging, also allows using whatever separator you like. Mediamonkey, up until now, fit fine into the workflow. If you wanna have it set this way by default or hide the option under some hidden menus then that's fine by me, but I would like the option the change it. Again, I know I'm not the only one, otherwise Poweramp and MP3Tag wouldn't allow for anything other than "; " or "\\" or whatever you define as the "proper" separator.
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Re: Songs aren't tagged with the appropriate separator

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Thanks, I see, it is serious regression, inserted as: https://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=18357

The multiple values should be saved to the file as I said, without separator, separator is used only for display (including mentioned apps). But we have bug, that it is saved to MP3 as one value with semicolons. Will be fixed soon, thanks for noticing.
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Re: Songs aren't tagged with the appropriate separator [#18357]

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Thanks so much. Glad to finally be listened to!
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Re: Songs aren't tagged with the appropriate separator [#18357]

Post by MiPi »

Genres in MP3 are problematic, because format ID3v2.3 does not officially allow storing multiple user defined strings. So it is quite mess, as each application stores it differently (e.g. MP3Tag uses zero byte as separator there, but this separator is defined in v2.4 and in v2.3 should not be used at all). I will fix it for ID3v2.4 (default), but leave it as it is for older ID3v2.3 (there is no right option and I could not ruin it for those who used it before)
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