Wrong track order when using MM server
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Wrong track order when using MM server
Hi,
I am having a strange issue when using MM as a server and try to stream music to my AVR (Pioneer Elite SC-71).
Everything works fine, including gapless playback which is a deal breaker for me . The thing is I am mainly listening to albums, but for some reason MM sort the tracks alphabetically and not according to the track#. I initially thought might had been a receiver issue, but using a different player (the built in WMP12) I don't have the same problem. Why not using WMP then? Because WMP cannot natively play flac and it doesn't play the converted files gapless, although it can play them in correct order.
Is there any resolution to this issue, or simply is not MM problem but receivers?
Thank you.
I am having a strange issue when using MM as a server and try to stream music to my AVR (Pioneer Elite SC-71).
Everything works fine, including gapless playback which is a deal breaker for me . The thing is I am mainly listening to albums, but for some reason MM sort the tracks alphabetically and not according to the track#. I initially thought might had been a receiver issue, but using a different player (the built in WMP12) I don't have the same problem. Why not using WMP then? Because WMP cannot natively play flac and it doesn't play the converted files gapless, although it can play them in correct order.
Is there any resolution to this issue, or simply is not MM problem but receivers?
Thank you.
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Re: Wrong track order when using MM server
Try MediaMonkey 4.1 beta from the Beta Testing forum which features sorting improvements over DLNA.
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Re: Wrong track order when using MM server
Thank you for the suggestion, actually this is what I did, installed the beta version before posting here.
The thing is it didn't work. I am a MM user since 2005 and I love this player. What should I do now?
The thing is it didn't work. I am a MM user since 2005 and I love this player. What should I do now?
Re: Wrong track order when using MM server
Which build?
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4.1.0.1672Lowlander wrote:Which build?
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Trying on MMW (client) and MMA it shows files in expected Track# order. Do your files have Track#, Album Artist and Disc# assigned correctly (eg. sorting in MMW (library) it sorts tracks as expected)?
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I don't understand what MMW and MMA stand for, but I guess you are asking if my files show in player in the correct order?Lowlander wrote:Trying on MMW (client) and MMA it shows files in expected Track# order. Do your files have Track#, Album Artist and Disc# assigned correctly (eg. sorting in MMW (library) it sorts tracks as expected)?
If this is the question, than the answer is yes, everything is properly tagged, and in MM player, in the main window and in the playlist everything works fine. When streaming, MM sort the tracks alphabetically according to the "Title" file property, I guess, ignoring Track# tag. These are just my guesses, as I don't have a deep understanding of how the software works.
Re: Wrong track order when using MM server
MMW is MediaMonkey for Windows and MMA is MediaMonkey for Android (MM8 is MediaMonkey for Metro).
I checked on a Samsung TV and it also shows the tracks in the correct order. Are you maybe viewing a Magic Nodes?
I checked on a Samsung TV and it also shows the tracks in the correct order. Are you maybe viewing a Magic Nodes?
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OK, thanks for the heads up.
No, I don't have magic nodes yet. What is happening is I go into my receiver's input and select network. Receiver sees both servers as I said in the first post: WMP12 and MM. If I choose the WMP12 and select and play one album everything works fine except gapless playback (which I had expected to not work). If I choose MMW, gapless playback is fine (as Pioneer Elite SC-71 implemented this year for network playback and desktop version of MMW can do - but not MM8 yet).
So, what confuses me is why WMP can sort the tracks correctly and MMW cannot. I mention the players use different libraries, but WMP library is just the same library MM use but converted using MM into wma, which WMP can read.
No, I don't have magic nodes yet. What is happening is I go into my receiver's input and select network. Receiver sees both servers as I said in the first post: WMP12 and MM. If I choose the WMP12 and select and play one album everything works fine except gapless playback (which I had expected to not work). If I choose MMW, gapless playback is fine (as Pioneer Elite SC-71 implemented this year for network playback and desktop version of MMW can do - but not MM8 yet).
So, what confuses me is why WMP can sort the tracks correctly and MMW cannot. I mention the players use different libraries, but WMP library is just the same library MM use but converted using MM into wma, which WMP can read.
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Re: Wrong track order when using MM server
Are the tracks in order in MM? I believe the sort order over the network mimics the sort order you've set in MM.
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Re: Wrong track order when using MM server
That should no longer the case in 4.1. Sorting should be hard coded (independent of what you've sorted on in MMW) and for me it works.nohitter151 wrote:I believe the sort order over the network mimics the sort order you've set in MM.
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Re: Wrong track order when using MM server
Thanks everybody for your contributions, the issue has been solved in a quite strange mode.
I installed today JRiver Media Center (demo mode) with the idea in mind to try other server and see if it's MM's problem or not. At some moment the software downloaded and installed Microsoft Net Framework (I didn't pay attention to what version, but I think some 3.x version). After the installation was done, JRiver started to scan for music, and as it was taking too long, I tried once again to stream music (pull) from MM server. Magically, it played flawless: correct order and gapless.
I mentioned this because that's the only difference between yesterday and today on my system, an installation of some old version of Net Framework. I have no idea what that program does, or even if that really was the solution, if Windows 8.1 (my current OS) had already have it or not, but now it's working.
Cheers.
I installed today JRiver Media Center (demo mode) with the idea in mind to try other server and see if it's MM's problem or not. At some moment the software downloaded and installed Microsoft Net Framework (I didn't pay attention to what version, but I think some 3.x version). After the installation was done, JRiver started to scan for music, and as it was taking too long, I tried once again to stream music (pull) from MM server. Magically, it played flawless: correct order and gapless.
I mentioned this because that's the only difference between yesterday and today on my system, an installation of some old version of Net Framework. I have no idea what that program does, or even if that really was the solution, if Windows 8.1 (my current OS) had already have it or not, but now it's working.
Cheers.
Re: Wrong track order when using MM server
I am almost certain that .NET framework version doesn't have an impact on this.
Maybe you tested slightly another way or previously you tested the old MM version (4.0.7)?
e.g. previously you could test navigating Music->Album->.. amd this time you tested Music->Artist->Album... or something like such a difference?
Anyhow if you will be able to reproduce it again then it would be best to catch this in debug log as we cannot reproduce it (might be device specific)
Maybe you tested slightly another way or previously you tested the old MM version (4.0.7)?
e.g. previously you could test navigating Music->Album->.. amd this time you tested Music->Artist->Album... or something like such a difference?
Anyhow if you will be able to reproduce it again then it would be best to catch this in debug log as we cannot reproduce it (might be device specific)
Re: Wrong track order when using MM server
I was having the same problem. I updated to the latest version and problem solved. Thanks.Lowlander wrote:Try MediaMonkey 4.1 beta from the Beta Testing forum which features sorting improvements over DLNA.
Re: Wrong track order when using MM server
where in MM can i set this sorting options?Lowlander wrote:Try MediaMonkey 4.1 beta from the Beta Testing forum which features sorting improvements over DLNA.