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Track Summary and Summary columns [#16600]

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MM5 has a "Summary" column, and a "Track Summary" column.

This tooltip is incorrect, the control affects the "Track Summary" display, not the "Summary" display.

Why isn't the "Summary" column display configurable, ie. like the "Track Summary" column.

Example in this display, I have the albums sorted by Release Date ... but you don't show me the Release Dates, ... and I can't configure to correct this.

Also the "Summary" column appears|disappears from the Choose Columns dbox, depending upon what View mode I am displaying.
This is another of those things that make MM5 hard to learn .... it would be much better if the column list was constant, and inapplicable items were greyed out, rather than disappeared.

The names of the Summary" column, and "Track Summary" column are too similar. It would be more clear if the "Summary" column was called "Album Summary".
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Thanks. Tracked fixes re. the misleading wording at https://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=16600

Re. the fact that Summary isn't configurable: I agree that it should be--it's just something that we deferred because it would be different depending on both conent Type and View.

Re. the ability to (re)configure sort order from/on non-displayed fields, you can do so by configuring the View (rather than sorting within the view). This approach was taken for Views in which fields aren't displayed.

Re. the 'Summary' column appearing/disappearing, it appears whenever the user chooses a view that's grouped 'by Album'. This approach (forcing UI elements related to Grouping when Grouping is enabled), but there's a lot of room to improve the manner in which grouping (and Views) is configured.

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Re: 2265 - Track Summary and Summary columns

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thanks for response
rusty wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:40 pm Re. the fact that Summary isn't configurable: I agree that it should be--it's just something that we deferred because it would be different depending on both conent Type and View.

Re. the ability to (re)configure sort order from/on non-displayed fields, you can do so by configuring the View (rather than sorting within the view). This approach was taken for Views in which fields aren't displayed.
Ok, but was an unfortunate choice IMO ... there is already a mechanism for handling differences due to different content type, ie. as deployed for the Track Summary column ... and I don't understand why changes of View creates complications ... ie. the column is either visible or not visible, and where is visible, can be served by a single layout config

My personal view is that the underlying issue is probably that the MM design team doesn't seem to include people whose focus is upon Albums, rather than just collections of Tracks ... examples
  • Album Artist is not a 1st class citizen in Browser view for Media Tree collections
  • AlbumArtist column is default configured to be invisible for collections ... no way to alter this default
  • no columns at track level for consensus album_play_count or date_last_played_for_album ... so no way to create an autoplaylist to queue whole albums, where the criteria includes factors like "album I have played < 3 times" or "album I have not heard for a year"
  • "Top 10 Albums Played" in the Library Statistic Report is sequenced from a Track Players' POV ... ie something like sum of (track duration * play count), rather than being sequenced by album play count
  • grid footer summary shows stats for number of tracks, total duration and total megabytes, but not number of albums
  • and the situation is worse in MMA ... can explain if you are interested .. I have MMA, but don't use it, because tools like Bubble UPnP, are better for Album focused people
rusty wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:40 pm Re. the 'Summary' column appearing/disappearing, it appears whenever the user chooses a view that's grouped 'by Album'. This approach (forcing UI elements related to Grouping when Grouping is enabled), but there's a lot of room to improve the manner in which grouping (and Views) is configured.
My point was that if I have the album grid set to be sorted by Release Date, you could presume that I am interested in this info ... but you don't display the date for me, and I can't adjust the configuration.

I agree that there is room for improvement in the column appearing|disappearing behaviour (vs being enabled|disabled) in the various config dboxes.

My overall view is that I am very pleased with the many improvements in MM5, but am disappointed that MM has still has limited utility for an album focused collector|listener.
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Re: Track Summary and Summary columns [#16600]

Post by bdb484 »

Just want to chime in with another vote in favor of the album-oriented approach.

The inability to rate albums manually is another thing that's always bugged me.
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