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UweBo
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added (date a file is added to the DB) [#21237 #20440]

Post by UweBo »

I would like to have listing in "Entire Library" for example of the latest added albums.
I can see and select the function in the properties in the lower right properties window but i can not select this feature when i want to create a new sub node in "Entire Library" to be shown on top as some kind of start screen.
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In playlists i can create from
Entire Library
Limit to files, megabytes, minutes
Select by (added most recent)
Sort by "added" "A-Z"
The results i can sort by Album, Date, Album Artist, Rating but not by date added to the DB.
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In short i can see the function "added" and there is some use to it but not globally
I hope someone understands what i am trying to say :-)
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Re: added (date a file is added to the DB)

Post by IanRTaylorUK »

Consider creating a Collection (Tools / Options / Library / Collections and Views).

Use something like the following criterium:

Match ALL
Added <(Days Ago) 14
Type equals Music; Audiobooks; Classical Music

In the All Files view of the Collection, add columns like Album Artist; Artist; Album; Title; Genre. I also like to include Path and Filename. Also Timestamp and Added can be useful. Click a column title (almost any) to sort by, then again to reverse sort.
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Re: added (date a file is added to the DB)

Post by Lowlander »

Sort by Added is available for AutoPlaylists (on MediaMonkey 2024).
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Re: added (date a file is added to the DB)

Post by UweBo »

Hello Ian

thank you. I did that already but when i do not use MM5 for 14 days or no albums added within that time frame the list is suddenly empty.
New Collection;
What is needed is something like "added" "number" of "albums" > or < "now"
In the colum of the subnode "Album" the function " added" can not be added. I have "date" for sorting but that is the date of publishing.
I just want to see the last "number" of added albums no matter if that is 1 or 300 days ago.

Then
New Playlist;
Entire Library
Match "all" of the following criteria and i am again in the dead end of creating a new collection with the function "added"
Limit to "8000" files > selected by "added most recent"
Sort by "added" "A - Z"

With this functionality i can neither create the Collection i need nor the Playlist i need. I really tried many variations and checked all the options behind all that. Perhaps there is something i do not see or it is indeed not possible... that is the reason for my post.

IanRTaylorUK wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 6:43 am Consider creating a Collection (Tools / Options / Library / Collections and Views).

Use something like the following criterium:

Match ALL
Added <(Days Ago) 14
Type equals Music; Audiobooks; Classical Music

In the All Files view of the Collection, add columns like Album Artist; Artist; Album; Title; Genre. I also like to include Path and Filename. Also Timestamp and Added can be useful. Click a column title (almost any) to sort by, then again to reverse sort.
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Re: added (date a file is added to the DB)

Post by UweBo »

I understand that the function exists but i can not use it to create a auto playlist, playlist, collection to show me the last "number" of albums added to the DB.
Additionally i would like to see the last "number" recently added albums when i left click on "Entire Library" just to see what is new.
Lowlander wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 10:03 am Sort by Added is available for AutoPlaylists (on MediaMonkey 2024).
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Re: added (date a file is added to the DB)

Post by IanRTaylorUK »

Hi, there is an example Playlist called "Recently Added" but that also has the criterium of Added <(days ago) nn [PLUS a second limitation based on either megabytes / files or minutes. I do not think you can do exactly what you want currently with MMW 2024.

In MMW4 there is a add-on called Magic Nodes that has a number of options that might be of interest:
  • 20 Latest Albums
    Albums Added in Last 10 Weeks {essential what we have done with a MMW 2024 Collection}
    (Complete) Albums with ALL files added in last 3 days
I don't know if this helps, but I create a "Top-Level" playlist for each month (or quarter or year) and add the "Album" playlist below this so it appears withing the top-level playlist. I prefix my Playlist name with a # so it appears at the top of the list in the Playlist node.

For example, "#September2024" contains 40 Playlists for the new albums I have created in the month. I label these as "Album Artist - Album Name".

Next I select the "#September2024" playlist in Devices & Services setting for the mobile phone / tablet. When I sync, I therefore end up with the September 2024 new albums being added to the devices.

One problem is that - if you add another album to the "Top-Level" playlist, you must go back to the sync profile for the device and add the new album from the Sync List / Playlists screen. The quickest way to do this is to uncheck the "Top-Level" playlist and then check the tick box again.

Hope this helps.
UweBo wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:53 pm Hello Ian

thank you. I did that already but when i do not use MM5 for 14 days or no albums added within that time frame the list is suddenly empty.
New Collection;
What is needed is something like "added" "number" of "albums" > or < "now"
In the colum of the subnode "Album" the function " added" can not be added. I have "date" for sorting but that is the date of publishing.
I just want to see the last "number" of added albums no matter if that is 1 or 300 days ago.

Then
New Playlist;
Entire Library
Match "all" of the following criteria and i am again in the dead end of creating a new collection with the function "added"
Limit to "8000" files > selected by "added most recent"
Sort by "added" "A - Z"
Ian Taylor
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Re: added (date a file is added to the DB)

Post by UweBo »

Hello Ian

thank you for the tip with MM4 i will try this ! and also for your suggestion with playlists.

I find that since the function is built in and i can see it, the missing parameters to control the DB selection should be added in MM 2024. Also to have a real "last additions" (for me it is music & albums) but it could also be genres, artists, bands, movies i do not know what else other users would want.

Uwe
IanRTaylorUK wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2024 6:52 am Hi, there is an example Playlist called "Recently Added" but that also has the criterium of Added <(days ago) nn [PLUS a second limitation based on either megabytes / files or minutes. I do not think you can do exactly what you want currently with MMW 2024.

In MMW4 there is a add-on called Magic Nodes that has a number of options that might be of interest:
  • 20 Latest Albums
    Albums Added in Last 10 Weeks {essential what we have done with a MMW 2024 Collection}
    (Complete) Albums with ALL files added in last 3 days
I don't know if this helps, but I create a "Top-Level" playlist for each month (or quarter or year) and add the "Album" playlist below this so it appears withing the top-level playlist. I prefix my Playlist name with a # so it appears at the top of the list in the Playlist node.

For example, "#September2024" contains 40 Playlists for the new albums I have created in the month. I label these as "Album Artist - Album Name".

Next I select the "#September2024" playlist in Devices & Services setting for the mobile phone / tablet. When I sync, I therefore end up with the September 2024 new albums being added to the devices.

One problem is that - if you add another album to the "Top-Level" playlist, you must go back to the sync profile for the device and add the new album from the Sync List / Playlists screen. The quickest way to do this is to uncheck the "Top-Level" playlist and then check the tick box again.

Hope this helps.
UweBo wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:53 pm Hello Ian

thank you. I did that already but when i do not use MM5 for 14 days or no albums added within that time frame the list is suddenly empty.
New Collection;
What is needed is something like "added" "number" of "albums" > or < "now"
In the colum of the subnode "Album" the function " added" can not be added. I have "date" for sorting but that is the date of publishing.
I just want to see the last "number" of added albums no matter if that is 1 or 300 days ago.

Then
New Playlist;
Entire Library
Match "all" of the following criteria and i am again in the dead end of creating a new collection with the function "added"
Limit to "8000" files > selected by "added most recent"
Sort by "added" "A - Z"
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Re: added (date a file is added to the DB)

Post by Rob_S »

Must be stupid... I am still unsure what you are trying to achive beyond a simple autoplaylist defined as follows ?

Search "Music"
Match all
limit to "50" files selected by "added most recently"
sort by "added"

VIEW Grid by album

This will always show you the most recently added 50 tracks. If you add by full albums, it should show you the most recently added albums
Using V2024 LATEST alpha or beta build on Windows 11, HP laptop, managing 13k tracks
UweBo
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Re: added (date a file is added to the DB)

Post by UweBo »

Yes this does work, yet i would want to have full albums selected.
The same as in my audio player were i have a ready programmed section "most recently added albums" almost on the start screen of the app.
I would like to open MM 2024 and see the latest news so to speak. Latest Artists, Genres, Albums, Bands, Composers...

Also with such an autoplaylist, if you sort by anything there is no way to get back to sort by "added". See for yourself, you can add the sort parameter "added" but only sort by A-Z which does not do anything.
Also if i change the number from 50 tracks to say 500 i get an unrecognisable sort order but certainly not by "added recently"

Somehow what i want i can not get.
Rob_S wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2024 12:43 pm Must be stupid... I am still unsure what you are trying to achive beyond a simple autoplaylist defined as follows ?

Search "Music"
Match all
limit to "50" files selected by "added most recently"
sort by "added"

VIEW Grid by album

This will always show you the most recently added 50 tracks. If you add by full albums, it should show you the most recently added albums
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Re: added (date a file is added to the DB)

Post by Lowlander »

Improvements to the Collection root node Browser View is tracked here: https://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=21237
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Re: added (date a file is added to the DB)

Post by UweBo »

Oh, i just read the ticket.
It is very nice to read.
It gives me hope which is nice !
I wait for an even better future with MM 2024 :-)
Thank you !
Lowlander wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2024 1:54 pm Improvements to the Collection root node Browser View is tracked here: https://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=21237
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Re: added (date a file is added to the DB)

Post by UweBo »

Do you think it could/would be possible to also integrate the Windows file system information "created" and "modified" into the DB for selecting/sorting in MM 2024?
The same/similar as in Tools>Options>Library> Update info from tags... >Only for files with changed time stamp or size

What i am thinking about is when over time a collection has grown the date/time/modified stamps can be important to sort/order the data. Also when a disk change, new computer, new installation of MM 2024 has to be made and the date/time/modified information should be preserved.

I work with that information from the Windows file system and with backup/restore as well. I do that with robocopy were such information can be preserved and restored or transfered to a new disk. For example it would be nice to use the saved date from windows for DB information in MM 2024 to sort by saved date or by modified date to see the latest changes from tagging or so.

kind regards
Lowlander wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2024 1:54 pm Improvements to the Collection root node Browser View is tracked here: https://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=21237
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Re: added (date a file is added to the DB) [#21237]

Post by probinson567345 »

I downloaded MediaMonkey since iTunes has been basically retired. The new "Apple Devices" doesn't allow editing of songs on the device. MediaMonkey seems to do everything I want, EXCEPT the very basic, must-have ability to sort by Date Added. I can't believe that in 2024, it doesn't have functionality that has been around for decades.
I love the package, but I'm going to have to find something else.
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Re: added (date a file is added to the DB) [#21237]

Post by Lowlander »

Sorting on Added is available and has been for a long time. You may need to enable the Added column to do so, or switch to a View where Added can be displayed.

How is this not working for you, screenshots may help explain how?
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Re: added (date a file is added to the DB) [#21237]

Post by MattTown »

I use sort by Date Added all the time in the main list. Add the column and click on it. I find it really useful for checking out files that have just been added via CD rip, and fixing the metatdata that gets missed from the auto tagging.

Better still, define a list view that is configured to do that for you. Creating a list view works best if your usual sort has multiple sort levels and you get tired of recreating the sort.

Cheers
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