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Playing list/now playing bugs

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:53 am
by Rob_S
In the attempt to provide a playing list which plays shuffled in display order, and thus enabling the next and previous functions, while still at the same time attempting to satisfy those who wish to see the now playing list in some order other that what it is playing, several bugs have been introduced, and I fear neither side is going to be happy when 5.1 is actually completed and released. This appears much like trying to drive south in the northbound lanes....

In my mind the simplest solution would be to have two separate different modes for the playing list, one being the old way, and the other being play in display order as described here.

https://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewt ... 22#p517222

If that is not in the cards, then at least some of the significant bugs currently present should be addressed.

1) We really need a full explanation of how it is supposed to work, and what is meant by "original order", and "save new order" and why..

2) The apparent malfunctions which occur when sorting the playing list in the right side pane by column header, after which it no longer focusses the current playing track, drag and drop no longer works, and there is no "save order" button in this pane.

3) The above "save order" button only appears if the column sort is performed in the "playing" node in the main window, in which case it also sometimes shows up in the "playing list" context menu.

4) If a new order is in fact saved in the "playing" node, this order is not reflected in the "playing list" in the right side pane.

5) The above often results in error messages when the shuffle button is turned off, and the attempt to revert to original order fails.

Re: Playing list/now playing bugs

Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 8:00 pm
by MattTown
Hi Rob

For what it's worth, I only use the Now Playing list in the "Play in Displayed Order" style that you described in your linked post.

I haven't been concerned about shuffle simply taking me to another place in an otherwised unchanged Now Playing list, but I'd be happy to have shuffle resequence the files in Now Playing so that the strict play next/play previous controls worked how you suggest.

I do all of my sorting and sequencing in the main list and in Playlists, and just use the Playlist as an indicator of what's happening for playing. I used to worry about the player stepping in sequence through files so that I didn't miss any, but that's not an issue any more.

Cheers

Matt

Re: Playing list/now playing bugs

Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 8:27 pm
by Rob_S
My main beef is the current inconsistent behavior between whether or not I happen to have sorted the list in some way, where it does NOT play in displayed order.

My request is that the Playing list behavior should be always consistent as displayed, regardless of how it is sorted or re-ordered.

Exception granted if there is a way to specifically choose the old mode where it could play randomly, without regard for the order of the list.

Playing list not tracking currently playing song

Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2024 1:34 pm
by Rob_S
As previously found, see the following thread:

https://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewt ... p?t=105813

MM 2024 still does not track and focus the currently playing track in the "Playing List" when in "List" view, and after sort by title column or any sort.

It does track in the "Playing" node view, because this view rightfully does not respond to the sort that was done.

Re: Playing list/now playing bugs

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 9:24 am
by MiPi
This functionality was not fully finished yet, tracked as: https://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=20582
But note, that temporary changing displayed order without affecting playing order was requested, it is not bug. Only it should be done with ability to easily save new order/reset display order to playing order.

By "does not track and focus the currently playing track" you mean what? Currently playing track is highlighted in list as it should already, even after resort, this works as it should I think.

Re: Playing list/now playing bugs

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 11:07 am
by Rob_S
No, that exactly as you describe "Currently playing track is highlighted in list " does not occur after column sort in "Playing List" window. You need a long list for this to (not) work, so the next track is actually outside the window.

Still puzzled what possible purpose could be served by a now playing list that ever does not display songs in the order they are expected to play.

Is that not what the playing node in the main window is for??

Re: Playing list/now playing bugs

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 12:00 pm
by MiPi
Rob_S wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2024 11:07 am No, that exactly as you describe "Currently playing track is highlighted in list " does not occur after column sort in "Playing List" window. You need a long list for this to (not) work, so the next track is actually outside the window.
For me it works (playing track has different color), only automatic scrolling to the playing track is disabled during the time when sorting is changed, because user changed sorting for some reason and scrolling could be undesirable. The time, when sorting is changed, is special temporary state.

The change with sorting was done in this issue: https://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=16622
I had similar arguments like you (I am not fan of this too), but I was in the minority and changes were made. Only not all needed changes are finished yet.

Re: Playing list/now playing bugs

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 3:33 pm
by Rob_S
Thanks, keep pluggin' away... :D

Re: Playing list/now playing bugs

Posted: Thu May 23, 2024 1:23 pm
by rusty
Update:
1) I think that most of the UI issues have been clarified/dealt with, but yes, the docs will be updated upon release.

2) These issues should be mostly resolved in builds 3022+. i.e. sorting will no longer break focus on track changes, and 'Save order' appears in both the Playing list and Playing panel. D&D is still disabled when tracks are sorted by anything other than Play order.

3) The 'Save order' command should appear in any view in which the Sort order doesn't match the play order. As far as I can see, this is implemented consistently. Am I misunderstanding? Or maybe this was fixed subsequent to your comment.

4) The Sort order of the Playing list doesn't have to match that of the Playing panel. I often edit/sort in the Playing list view, but leave the Playing panel alone (showing the Play order).

5) The notification regarding inability to revert to the unshuffled sort order should appear whenever the Play order has been edited subsequent to shuffling (i.e. sorting the playing list shouldn't have any effect). I wasn't able to trigger the message by sorting, except by saving the revised sort order, in which case the message should appear.

Thanks for all the feedback! The new implementation might not be perfect, but your feedback has made it much better and I much prefer the current approach to the approach in 5.0.4.

-Rusty