Thanks rovingcowboy, though I do have SP3 installed and my problem tracks don't show up as being unsynchonised. I did a little more testing and was able to alter the number of tracks which are added incorrectly by disabling some options, which (I'm guessing) meant more songs were able to be processed before being mucked around with. Turning off folder monitoring solved the problem entirely - though kinda defeats the purpose.

Anyway, I did a full uninstall and reinstall of MM and the problem so far seems to have been resolved, touch wood. So maybe something just got corrupted in my install. :-?

I guess I should have done this long ago but with all the time I've spent tagging and rating songs I treat MM like a crystal vase - I don't touch it unless it's an absolute last resort!

Thanks again for all the help guys. I'm sure this will crop up again with other users, but hopefully not often enough to be a priority bug.

since you made this post and wanted it sperated. i know you posted in the other one looking for the OP but its OP was just a guest and never was joined up as a member so they might not have fixed it and might have left mediamonkey.

but i 'm thinking i ony seen you say your on xp pro. did you ever get the xp sp3 update, there were many bug fixes for windows in that. it had enough bug fixes that the update is over 333 mb's in size. one of them has to be an sql update, also windows / micorsoft seems to only show you updates you need if you got the one before it. so missing one update will make you miss later ones that might fix errors in windows.

still after saying that i have been reading the posts more and it seems like what lowlander is saying. a bug with multiple codes running at once in the auto organizer montior feature.
unless you are not sync'in your song tags before you put the folder in the monitored folder? if you are not sync'ing the tags monkey will scatter the songs because he uses the tag info to move them. by that i mean after you put the songs in monkey's database. make sure the songs info is correct in the list view area.
then select all the songs. go to the tools menu click on advance tag management then click on sync database.
that will sync the data monkey has for each song you selected to that song's tags.
making sure monkey will use the data in his database.
if you use any <artist> markers in your path then that is the tag info used. so it needs to be sync'ed, just words between slash marks \my music\ is the name of folders in the path that you wanted to be named that way.
most the others i've seen in the forum with messed up paths was cause of not syncing the tags. :)

[quote="MyCsPiTTa"]Oh ok, so foldering monitoring clashing with auto-organise isn't going to be an issue for you. Having active folder monitoring is the whole reason I moved to MM from iTunes. In fact, if iTunes ever gets that feature (god knows why they don't!!!), I can't say I wouldn't, at least consider, moving back.

Also, can you not use MM, or one of the many other progs out there, to tag your songs when you rip hem from cd, or even vinyl? I haven't done much ripping in MM but I was sure it detects the CD info and looks up track information from a database automatically. Or at least you could us "tag from Amazon" on the new tracks in your "recently added" playlist.

Also for me, volume analyser run automatically on un-normalised songs as soon as they are added. I have startup scan turned off (like everyone, got sick of delays at startup) but folder monitoring turned on so it scans and vol analyses anything new added - best of both worlds (when it works! :wink: ).[/quote]
yes there are scripts for looking up ablum art and monkey will check the free online data for cdroms. but i don't trust online info for cdroms i seen before that the cddb had people type in what was on their home made cdroms and give them the same name as a store bought cdrom. so i type up mine right from the case as i put it in. sure they might have fixed the messed up online db's but i don't mind the typing. 8)

Just send it to support, that is enough.

Yes, you can keep running the debug version or if you wish install the regular version over your current install again.

Ok, I've done that, and experienced a prime example of what I mean. Though it was a little different this time - when I manually rescanned the folder location it missed adding a few tracks to the library. I made a debug of that step as well.

I will send it on to helpdesk as it asks in the debug thread, or do you want to have a look at it too. I means nothing to me!

One question; is it ok to leave the debug version of MM on there? I'm assuming it's overwritten my original anyway. Is there any problem with that?

I suggest creating a debug log as described in the Bug Report forum. During the beta testing of MediaMonkey 3.1 there were some issues when multiple features (Auto-Organize, File Monitor and Volume Leveling) were enabled. I don't have the means to reproduce (no way I will let Auto-Organize loose on my music), but you might have run into a bug here.

Oh ok, so foldering monitoring clashing with auto-organise isn't going to be an issue for you. Having active folder monitoring is the whole reason I moved to MM from iTunes. In fact, if iTunes ever gets that feature (god knows why they don't!!!), I can't say I wouldn't, at least consider, moving back.

Also, can you not use MM, or one of the many other progs out there, to tag your songs when you rip hem from cd, or even vinyl? I haven't done much ripping in MM but I was sure it detects the CD info and looks up track information from a database automatically. Or at least you could us "tag from Amazon" on the new tracks in your "recently added" playlist.

Also for me, volume analyser run automatically on un-normalised songs as soon as they are added. I have startup scan turned off (like everyone, got sick of delays at startup) but folder monitoring turned on so it scans and vol analyses anything new added - best of both worlds (when it works! :wink: ).

i use free version so i don't have the monitor folder option.

i rip or add from usb turntable to a temp folder i keep the wav files in.

if i rip i type in all the song info from the cdrom on the cdrw drive node. then select all the songs and click rip.
if i add from the turn table i just save all the info on the song i can with the audacity software then i just type in what i need to with mediamonkey.

but i use the add / rescan feature to scan that temp folder.

then i go to the recently added playlists i have it make. and adjust any of the info needed in the listview.

select all the wav files run the case checker, then convert the wav's to ogg format. then run the volume anaylizer
then sync the tags.

then use auto organizer to move the files from that temp folder to the ones on the other hd to save.

that is what i do here. but i have not done that with 3.1 yet i been busy on the skins. and stuff like updates from m$.
8)

[quote="rovingcowboy"]in dragging the folder to the library node i think it makes a new hd id.?
but since you are on the same id as before it might be the partition stuff that is messing with you?
your C:\ and your E:\ will have the same hardware id on them.

that is the only thing i can think of this time. maybe one of the others or ludek or lownlander or steegy if he ever comes back in the forum can figure it out.
:-?[/quote]

I don't know if the drive ID you mention is the reason for the problem, but I tried adding an album by going to the "My Computer" node in MM and getting manually scan/adding the album I wanted, and there were no problems.
But, I still think this was just a way of circumventing the problem of MM allowing mutually exclusive processes to run at the same time. It's not really the easiests way to add new albums. What way do you guys to it? Like I said, I just cut/paste the album folder into my monitored folder and let MM (try to) do the rest. (Actually I do it via a very handy "Move folder to..." link I've added to the right-click menu)

EDIT: Nope, actually I did the above with two more albums and they had the problem after all.

[quote="MyCsPiTTa"]No, E:\ drive is just a partition. I keep my data separate from my OS in case I need to reinstall Windows or something.

So no probs? You have auto-organise and analyse volume and folder montoring all on?
[/quote]
Yes, I do.. no problems at all. Normally I dump files into a C:\Users\Steve\Downloads\ folder and they are then sorted into subdirectories based on album name (C:\Users\Steve\Downloads\<Album>\<Track#> <Artist> - <Title>) but of course I do the tagging/renaming in MM and not with some other app. I also do have analyze volume and foldermonitoring on.

in dragging the folder to the library node i think it makes a new hd id.?
but since you are on the same id as before it might be the partition stuff that is messing with you?
your C:\ and your E:\ will have the same hardware id on them.

that is the only thing i can think of this time. maybe one of the others or ludek or lownlander or steegy if he ever comes back in the forum can figure it out.
:-?

No, E:\ drive is just a partition. I keep my data separate from my OS in case I need to reinstall Windows or something.

So no probs? You have auto-organise and analyse volume and folder montoring all on? Do you think it makes a difference that the monitored folder I dump the album into is the parent folder of where the new files get sorted?

i.e. they go from:
E:\My Music
to
E:\My Music\<Genre>\<Album Artist>\<Album>\<Track#> - <Album Artist> - <Title>

UPDATE: No, I've just checked using a new "dump" folder - same problem. As I mentioned in my first post, when I look at the properties of the greyed out tracks, the location is set to be the initial "dump" folder, not the new folder where MM sorts them into. Yet SOME tracks get added successfully. This totally seems to point to a problem with MM's running order of tasks - the tracks that are lucky enough to sneak through the auto-organise before they are detected and added to the library are fine.

I see that your drive is drive E:\, is this an external or networked drive? Perhaps there is some connectivity problem. No problems with auto-organize here...

Well, I am now on MM3.1.0.1256 (the latest?) and this problem is worse than ever. I am using Windows XP Pro and have absolutely no other issues on this machine with any other software as far as I have discovered. I have not deleted any windows components, and do not have a problem [i]playing[/i], only with MM's automatic organising of files.

This is how I add music to MM:
1) I take the album folder and delete any extra files (e.g. nfo, txt, playlists, jpg)
2) I tag it in mp3tag 2.43 to get the artwork and any missing details. I also remove unecesary fields and make album artist the same as artist.
3) I cut and past the album folder into My Music, which is monitored by MM. MM very quickly takes these files and renames/sorts them according to:

-Main directtory = E:\My Music\
-Subdirectories = <Genre>\<Album Artist>\<Album>
-Filename = <Track#> - <Album Artist> - <Title>

The original album folder often does not delete itself which I have to do myself.

4) MM's progress bar shows files being added and volume being analysed. Songs are IN the library but when I go to play them, about two thirds of them (now) are skipped and become greyed out. I'm not going to go into the attempts I've made to get MM to locate the files as it is in my first post. Now I go into cleanup mode to try and fix MM's mess:

5) I delete all the album's tracks from the library. Then I manually drag the album folder (from it's new location, thanks to MM) to my MM Library node. This re-adds all the songs - this time "semi" successfully - many songs very often end up with TWO entries in the library, both of which become bold when the song is played, and both of which will disappear if either is deleted.
Going out of a few nodes in the tree and coming back seems to solve this problem - but simply selecting another album and coming back does not.

Again, this is exactly the same problem as mentioned by a user in this thread: http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=35660&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

I can't believe such a major fault in such an amazingly useful feature hasn't been resolved. Does no-one else really use auto-organise? Or if it's something I've done wrong in my auto-organise setup it should be fixable right? It's hard to believe only two users have ever had this problem so identically.

I know nothing about programming or SQL or anything mentioned in that other thread, but it seems like the obvious solution to this problem is to tell MM NOT to begin adding files to the libray UNTIL they have been autoorganised. Shouldn't that be obvious anyway? :-? I don't think it does though if the progress bars are anything to go by. So where's my little green tick box! http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/posting.php?mode=reply&f=1&t=38501#

[quote="MyCsPiTTa"]My guess what's happening is that MM's folder monitoring is pickup up the new album and adding it to my library before auto-organiser has a chance to process it into it's deestination folder.[/quote]

Really no solution? My guess above I'm pretty certain is what's happening as in the song properties the folder and filename are stated as the old, "pre-auto-organised" path. But simply manually correcting this just says it can't find the file.