Support for TSOA, TSOP and TSOT tags [#2915]

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Re: Support for TSOA, TSOP and TSOT tags

by nohitter151 » Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:55 pm

No, it hasn't been added. I think this is the only relevant entry on this:
http://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=2915

Re: Support for TSOA, TSOP and TSOT tags

by jautor » Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:37 pm

Sorry for the old thread bump, but I'm wondering if 'Sort Order' tag support made it into the v4 Alpha? I looked though the feature list but didn't see it mentioned. Since iTunes 9.x started supporting these, I'd really like to use them for all the reasons the original poster suggested. Especially for large collections, having artists/composers show up in correct alphabetical order (instead of under "John" or "Richard") would be a big usability improvement. ID3 defined many of these, iTunes added their own additions (which are consistently named TSO2 - Album Artist Sort Order and TSOC - Composer Sort Order). Microsoft defined WMA tags to mirror the ID3-defined TSO* tags as well (although I'm not aware of any application that utilizes them).

Note that the sort order tags are also useful for proper positioning of artists with accent characters, numbers in their name, etc. It also removes the need for workarounds for leading participles (A, The, etc.). But in general, having a 'sort order string' as a separate field from the 'display string' has a lot of value.

Regards,

Jeff

Re: Support for TSOA, TSOP and TSOT tags

by jomaweb » Sun Apr 04, 2010 2:00 pm

It's being planned for 4.0.
Great!
When this new version will be available?

Re: Support for TSOA, TSOP and TSOT tags

by nohitter151 » Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:32 am

PaulID wrote:
In fact - could MM add support for arbitrary ID3 fields? (Even if only as set and get?)]
It's being planned for 4.0.

Re: Support for TSOA, TSOP and TSOT tags

by PaulID » Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:20 am

Here's another vote for adding the standard ID3 tags for "Sort Title", "Sort Album" and "Sort Artist" (and the itunes extensions, Is Compilation, Sort Album Artist and Sort Composer).

In fact - could MM add support for arbitrary ID3 fields? (Even if only as set and get?)
That would be a neat extension IMHO.

It would be nice to enable users to to add a tag name and description.
eg TSOT, Sort Title, STRING,
or TIME, Recording Time, 4DIGITS

If this needed to be done without DB changes maybe an optional ID3 frame name string could be associated with Custom1-5? (Support for string format frames only would be enough for most people I think.)
Eg CustomX <tag specifier> <string value>

So if I set Custom1 to be used for frame name of TRSN (Internet radio station name) then the value for custom1 would be written to that name (as well or instead of the default tag.) Similarly for TSOT, TSOP etc.

My reasons for wanting Sort order support are due to the fact that I an converting from MM & itunes to pure MM to manage my music and my audiobooks.

I have four Harry Potter tomes, but in iTunes I can set sort titles of "Harry Potter 1", "Harry Potter 2" etc.
This means that the books appear in the right chronological order, and with the right title.

I can get the same effect in MM only if I name them like "Harry Potter 1 - HP and the Philosopher's Stone".

Another example for wanting it is for "Sort Artist" - say I have Layla by Derek and The Dominos, I want it to be found and displayed under Eric Clapton.

Re: Support for TSOA, TSOP and TSOT tags

by Lazlo Nibble » Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:05 pm

I gave up on using MediaMonkey to sync to my iPod when I got an iPod Touch. I have to use iTunes to sync everything else (especially apps and making backups of my data), so there's really no reason not to use it to sync my music too.

MediaMonkey is still a great library manager, I just wish it would support all the tags I use.

Re: Support for TSOA, TSOP and TSOT tags

by jomaweb » Fri Sep 18, 2009 4:25 am

but...If you add that information in iTunes and after all, you use Mediamonkey to sync with iPod.....do you lose that tags info?
have you checked that issue?

Re: Support for TSOA, TSOP and TSOT tags

by Lazlo Nibble » Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:39 pm

TSOA = Sort Order - Album Title
TSOP = Sort Order - (Track) Performer
TSOT = Sort Order - Track Title
TSO2 = Sort Order - (Album) Performer [Apple-specific]

People have been requesting the ability to edit these tags in MediaMonkey for years, to no avail. Therefore, those of us who want everything to sort correctly (on our iPods, for example) have to add the tags in a different application, often iTunes.

Re: Support for TSOA, TSOP and TSOT tags

by rovingcowboy » Sun Sep 13, 2009 5:19 am

i am still trying to figure out what you mean by the title?
all i can read in it is :-?

the sound of Atlanta, the sound of Philadelphia, and the sound of Toledo. now i know the song the sound of Philadelphia but not the other two and what do they have to do with tags? :o

Re: Support for TSOA, TSOP and TSOT tags

by jomaweb » Sun Sep 13, 2009 5:10 am

I use Mediamonkey to manage my huge library (more than 160 GB) but in order to sync with iPod I MUST use the crappy iTunes. ¿reason? iTunes support sortByYear tag, very useful if you want to see the albums from an artist ordered by year not alphabetically.

please provide this functionality (and I'll be able to abandon crappy itunes)

Re: Support for TSOA, TSOP and TSOT tags

by Kevinino » Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:43 pm

It would be really good if support for these tags was added to the IPOD sync. It could be an option

Use Bandsorter/Albumsortorder tags if available

and presumably very little work.

by studley » Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:37 pm

jiri wrote:We haven't implemented this yet, because most of users probably prefer this to be as automatic as possible, without the need for new fields. Therefore currently MM for example can automatically handle 'the' prefixes.

That said, we are interested in your suggestions and it would be nice to know how other users feel about it...

Jiri
Theres is no reason to remove these automatic capabilities in order to support TSOP. TSOP could be filled automatically if the user chose... especially if TSOP did not exist. Other programs look to see if file is 2.4. If so, does TSOP exist. If not, process Artist as usual. There should be no effect on users who chose not to manage their files this way.

Cheers, David

TSOP requires v2.4

by studley » Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:32 pm

They will not be able to support these fields until they complete their compatibility with ID3 v2.4. I am anxiously awaiting this capability, as well.

David

by Teknojnky » Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:24 pm

There is no build in library node for 'publisher' field, however it available in the track 'details' properties.

Magic nodes (script) may be able to show this field in a node view if thats what your looking for.

by Flor » Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:47 am

Didn't want to start a new thread, but I am wondering why it isn't possible to view the "publisher" tag in your library, since it is in the tag information (and even retrievable from the web through Media Monkey)

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