Overwriting a file removes its rating [#8573]

[nohitter151]

That depends on your definition of 'intended'.

Intended, as in intentional or planned

I've considered that but wouldn't that also result in other tags not being updated? For instance if I replace old files with new files and the newer files have a spelling error in, say, the album title tag fixed, would MM then use the new tag or delete the new tag and replace it with the old erroneous tag?

Yes, of course in that case the DB values would always be preferred, and all tags would be ignored when rescanning. So your DB would display the same old data (with spelling error) as it was before. That doesn't mean MM would automatically replace the new tag, though. That would only happen upon retagging the file (as in if you synchronized tags or edited any tag of the file in MM).

[Onweerwolf]

Anyway, I'm guessing you could avoid the issue entirely by disabling
Tools | Options | Library -> [X] Update Track info from Tags when rescanning files.

So i've tried this and it doesn't work. If you disable this, copy one file to another location then set a rating for that file, copy the file back to it's original place and overwrite, the rating is still gone.

[nohitter151]

Anyway, I'm guessing you could avoid the issue entirely by disabling
Tools | Options | Library -> [X] Update Track info from Tags when rescanning files.

So i've tried this and it doesn't work. If you disable this, copy one file to another location then set a rating for that file, copy the file back to it's original place and overwrite, the rating is still gone.

That would be a bug then. I will test it when I get a chance.

[Onweerwolf]

That depends on your definition of 'intended'.

Intended, as in intentional or planned

I've considered that but wouldn't that also result in other tags not being updated? For instance if I replace old files with new files and the newer files have a spelling error in, say, the album title tag fixed, would MM then use the new tag or delete the new tag and replace it with the old erroneous tag?

Yes, of course in that case the DB values would always be preferred, and all tags would be ignored when rescanning. So your DB would display the same old data (with spelling error) as it was before. That doesn't mean MM would automatically replace the new tag, though. That would only happen upon retagging the file (as in if you synchronized tags or edited any tag of the file in MM).

So, that's pretty useless then because i'm replacing the files for a reason in the first place. That reason being better quality and fixing tags. So if the tags don't get fixed there is still an issue. So I have to choose between keeping database ratings or fixed new tags.

Imo it should simply be a matter of having a user definable setting that says: if tags are empty upon rescanning use DB info for that tag if available. It could be set to off by default.

[nohitter151]

So, that's pretty useless then because i'm replacing the files for a reason in the first place. That reason being better quality and fixing tags. So if the tags don't get fixed there is still an issue. So I have to choose between keeping database ratings or fixed new tags.

I would think it'd be more common that the new files are the ones that are mis-tagged (ie spelling errors, typos, etc.), and the database has the correct info.

Anyway like I said, there's no way this makes it into 4.0. You are welcome to open a post in the wishlist.

[nohitter151]

Anyway, I'm guessing you could avoid the issue entirely by disabling
Tools | Options | Library -> [X] Update Track info from Tags when rescanning files.

So i've tried this and it doesn't work. If you disable this, copy one file to another location then set a rating for that file, copy the file back to it's original place and overwrite, the rating is still gone.

Ok I retract my earlier statement. That's exactly how this should work based on the option you selected.

eg. to start file in DB has no rating
copy file to another location
rate said copy
copy file back to original location, overwriting the original
Option to "Update track info" is disabled, so track should remain unrated after rescanning.

[Onweerwolf]

Anyway, I'm guessing you could avoid the issue entirely by disabling
Tools | Options | Library -> [X] Update Track info from Tags when rescanning files.

So i've tried this and it doesn't work. If you disable this, copy one file to another location then set a rating for that file, copy the file back to it's original place and overwrite, the rating is still gone.

Ok I retract my earlier statement. That's exactly how this should work based on the option you selected.

eg. to start file in DB has no rating
copy file to another location
rate said copy
copy file back to original location, overwriting the original
Option to "Update track info" is disabled, so track should remain unrated after rescanning.

I didn't rate the copy (i have no software to rate other than MM) but the original file.

[nohitter151]

Anyway, I'm guessing you could avoid the issue entirely by disabling
Tools | Options | Library -> [X] Update Track info from Tags when rescanning files.

So i've tried this and it doesn't work. If you disable this, copy one file to another location then set a rating for that file, copy the file back to it's original place and overwrite, the rating is still gone.

That would be a bug then. I will test it when I get a chance.

Just tried it, but the rating stuck as expected. Here's exactly what I did:

1. Tools > Options > Library > "Update file info from Tags when rescanning files" is unchecked
2. mp3 file in MM library, unrated
3. Right clicked the file > find more from same > folder (explorer)
4. Found the file in explorer, and copied to another folder
5. Rated the original file in MM to 4 stars
6. Copied the copy file from other folder back to original location, overwriting the original
7. File > Add/rescan folder with original file
8. Track remained rated at 4 stars in MM.

[Onweerwolf]

1. Tools > Options > Library > "Update file info from Tags when rescanning files" is unchecked
2. mp3 file in MM library, unrated
3. Right clicked the file > find more from same > folder (explorer)
4. Found the file in explorer, and copied to another folder
5. Rated the original file in MM to 4 stars
6. Copied the copy file from other folder back to original location, overwriting the original
7. File > Add/rescan folder with original file
8. Track remained rated at 4 stars in MM.

The only thing I did different is step 7. I have all my mp3 folders set to continuously scan.

[nohitter151]

1. Tools > Options > Library > "Update file info from Tags when rescanning files" is unchecked
2. mp3 file in MM library, unrated
3. Right clicked the file > find more from same > folder (explorer)
4. Found the file in explorer, and copied to another folder
5. Rated the original file in MM to 4 stars
6. Copied the copy file from other folder back to original location, overwriting the original
7. File > Add/rescan folder with original file
8. Track remained rated at 4 stars in MM.

The only thing I did different is step 7. I have all my mp3 folders set to continuously scan.

You mean file monitor? I believe that the setting referenced only applies to actual rescanning, not the monitor.

[Onweerwolf]

1. Tools > Options > Library > "Update file info from Tags when rescanning files" is unchecked
2. mp3 file in MM library, unrated
3. Right clicked the file > find more from same > folder (explorer)
4. Found the file in explorer, and copied to another folder
5. Rated the original file in MM to 4 stars
6. Copied the copy file from other folder back to original location, overwriting the original
7. File > Add/rescan folder with original file
8. Track remained rated at 4 stars in MM.

The only thing I did different is step 7. I have all my mp3 folders set to continuously scan.

You mean file monitor? I believe that the setting referenced only applies to actual rescanning, not the monitor.

Yes, file monitor. File monitor is also actually rescanning right? It just happens at a different time.

I never use the manual scan options.

[nohitter151]

Yes, file monitor. File monitor is also actually rescanning right? It just happens at a different time.

I never use the manual scan options.

Sadly I remember discussing this previously. Here's the thread:
http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewto ... ng#p275446

[rusty]

Thanks for the reminder. Tracked at http://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=8573

-Rusty