Magic Nodes 4.2 w/ 380 masks & real GUI (2011-07-01)[MM2+]

[ZvezdanD]

However, it would still leaves the FMFS feature kind of crippled as you could have multiple entries ("Young Fyre: Production-Producer", "Young Fyre: Production-Additional Production", etc) so FMFS would only bring up some of their work.

Yeah, this is a reason why I said that it is not exactly what you want. However, I think it is better to get at least some nodes/tracks as result then not having any result. Nodes "Young Fyre: Production-Producer" and "Young Fyre: Production-Additional Production" would be right next one above another in the tree, so it would be easy to see in how many roles is some person just looking at the tree. In some cases such approach would be even better, e.g. if you want to find only tracks where Young Fyre is just Additional Producer. I think that in most cases you would get unique pairs Person:Role anyway, so this issue would not be so problematic.

One thing is for certain though, using Involved People is out of the question. In playing with it a little more, I was reminded why I've given up on attempts to do so before. The way MM uses/writes the field either makes it incompatible with other programs (MP3Tag for instance)

Actually, beside of the "crippled" FMFS advantage, using Conductor or some another multi-item field instead of Involved People is even better because such Magic nodes are generated faster (in that case MN use SQL for parsing data instead of VBScript code), and such nodes could have applied Sort of and Statistics qualifiers. However, I think that you should report the mentioned problem to the MM developers and/or the author of Mp3tag. By the way, did you try to use "/" instead of ";" with the Involved People field?

or makes it incompatible with the format used for the MagicNodes.

I don't know what you mean. There is not any format which is incompatible with Magic Nodes. It supports any character(s) as separator and any sequence of categorization (role:person, person:role, person:role-sub-role, ...). Maybe you meant on the Involved People Node add-on?

[Mizery_Made]

According to the ID3 specs for v2.3, the Involved Peoples list is pairs of roles and persons involved, both being terminated strings. So Tag-wise, it is supposed to be written as "Role1[null]Person1[null]Role2[null]Person2[null]". Most programs I've seen that support this field either support the format "Role1:Person1;Role2:Person2" or they have it set up with selection boxes.

However if you use the "Role:Person;Role:Person" format in MM, it is written in the tags as "Role:Person[null]Role:Person" which would be an invalid tag according to the ID3 specs. MP3Tag however (correctly) writes "Role:Person;Role:Person" as "Role[null]Person[null]Role[null]Person" (well, it could be argued as faulty too, as I don't think it terminates the last string). So therefore, if you tag this with MP3Tag and then import the change into MM, "Role1:Person1;Role2:Person2" (in MP3Tag) would then appear as "Role1;Person1;Role2;Person2" (in MM) which doesn't lend itself to splitting the information up for your script.

So as you can see, you either have to choose to tag exclusively with MM and be able to use the field with this script, or you can tag with MP3Tag (which I find better for mass tagging; or MM, in a way that's compatible with MP3Tag) and have it in a format that doesn't work(?) with MagicNodes.

[ZvezdanD]

There is the new update for this add-on - v4.1 - 2011-02-07:
* Added: Odd Parts and Even Parts arguments for Split Mode qualifier which allow usage of Involved People field in ID3 format (please read the Information section about their usage);
* Added: First Artist with Title, First Album Artist with Album, Poly Artist, Poly Album Artist, Poly Artist with Title and Poly Album Artist with Album fields;
* Added: 50 new masks, some old improved;
* Improved: import/export of masks with the same caption, but different contents;
* Fixed: error with Parts * splitting modes and fields containing single apostrophe (');
* Fixed: wrong masks copied from MM Forum using Select All command;
* Fixed: skin styles path [MM4];
* Fixed: error on start-up with the last selected node on exit from Magic Nodes branch [MM4].

[Mizery_Made]

There seems to be an issue with the 4.1 install package. Going to your site and downloading it, I receive an "Invalid product install package" message. Attempting to update through the extensions window fails as well, but silently. When you click to install the update, the "via:" link disappears (which is typical when the update has been installed), but nothing else happens. Closing the window and re-opening shows 4.0.4 still present.

Also while I'm here, I want to clarify whether something will work correctly (it appears to be), or if it's going to cause the script to explode at some point. This is a continuation of the conversation regarding Involved People. The thing is, there are occasions where an artist has chosen to have multiple songs on the same track of the CD. Most common with "hidden tracks" that play after a few minutes of silence after the last credited song. Again, me being someone who likes keeping documentation of someones role and what have you, I would also like to be able to distinguish which track a producer did. So while I may have "YoungFyre : Production-Producer; Karbon : Production-Additional Production" on a single song track, I have may have something like "Rob Rebeck : Production-Producer (Bootlegger [Skit]); Matic Lee : Production-Producer (Areola); Rob Rebeck : Production-Producer (Bootlegger [Outro])" on a track that has three "tracks." In toying around with the node, I tried out:

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<Group|Name:Involved People|Show tracks:No|Icon:48>\by Involvement, Role, Person (Testing)|Icon:48|Child of:Album\<Composer|Exclusive right of: : |Right until:-|Unknown:No>\<Composer|Exclusive right of:-|Right until: (>\<Composer|Exclusive left of: : >\<Album with album artist>

This appears to be working as expected (which surprises me), as it files the "Bootlegger [Skit]/Areola/Bootlegger [Outro]" track under "Producer" as opposed to "Producer (<piece of title>)." So I'm just wondering if I may be missing some sort of "breakage" with this mask, or if there is potential for it to blow up in my face down the road. Seeing as not all of the entries have " (<piece of title>)" on their role, I was expecting it to throw a fit in trying to handle one that doesn't. Though I guess thinking about it again, it would be expected to work as it would show everything on the right of the character until it found " (", so if it never found it... it would just display everything to the right. Anyway, since I've already typed this all up... care to clarify if there's potential trouble with a mask like this?

[ZvezdanD]

There seems to be an issue with the 4.1 install package.

I am sorry, I posted the new installation package using the new compressor, but haven't tested previously how is it going with the installation. I re-uploaded it using old compressor, you could try again with the download.

Anyway, since I've already typed this all up... care to clarify if there's potential trouble with a mask like this?

I am truly sorry, but I don't know what is your real question. Your mask is just fine and this is exactly the expected behavior which you got. I am not sure, but I suppose that you didn't read the .pdf user manual of this add-on nor the Information section where I have described the difference between the Right Until and the Exclusive Right Until qualifiers. Here is an example with following values of the Path field:

- :\Angie Stone - I Wasn't Kidding [Freemasons Vocal Club].mp3
- :\Faith Evans - Mesmerized [Freemasons Full Vocal Mix].mp3
- :\Freemasons feat. Amanda Wilson - Love on My Mind [Club Mix].mp3
- :\Freemasons feat. Amanda Wilson - I Feel Like.mp3
- :\Freemasons feat. Siedah Garrett - Rain Down Love [Vocal Club Mx].mp3

Exclusive Right of:[|Right until: Mix] will return:
- [Unknown node with all values which don't contain "["]
- Freemasons Vocal Club].mp3
- Freemasons Full Vocal
- Club
- Vocal Club

Exclusive Right of:[|Exclusive Right until: Mix] will return:
- [Unknown node with all values which don't contain "[" and " Mix]"]
- Freemasons Full Vocal
- Club
- Vocal Club

If it is still confusing, please let me know what is the string that you have now and how do you expect it to be displayed and I will give you the right settings.

[Mizery_Made]

I think you clarified what I was trying to ask. I think you may be starting to get the idea that I don't like to read Though, I'm pretty sure I've read that PDF at some point, and probably some of the information you wrote... just been a while, as I hadn't used MagicNodes for quite some time (well, it was installed and I had a few basic nodes set up) and only now trying to get the hang of it again. I'll try to read up on the first post next time before asking.

The "corrected" install package installs fine.

[ZvezdanD]

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind if you don't read the user manual or the information section which I wrote. I just wanted to save you some time. I suppose you would spend less time reading those texts then writing such a long post and trying something with the add-on which is already described there.

[Sven]

Seems like the new version (updating from 4.0.4) does not like my "old" MagicNodes, which are saved in the Mediamonkey.ini

For example:

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Mask374=Rock am Ring 2007|Child of:Playlists|Filter:<Artist> = '30 Seconds To Mars' OR <Artist> = 'Aiden' OR <Artist> = 'Arctic Monkeys' OR <Artist> = 'As I Lay Dying' OR <Artist> = 'Beatsteaks' OR <Artist> = 'Billy Talent' OR <Artist> = 'Bloodsimple' OR <Artist> = 'Breed 77' OR <Artist> = 'Charlotte Hatherley' OR <Artist> = 'Chimaira' OR <Artist> = 'Devildriver' OR <Artist> = 'Die Ärzte' OR <Artist> = 'Disco Ensemble' OR <Artist> = 'Down Below' OR <Artist> = 'Dragonforce' OR <Artist> = 'Enter Shikari' OR <Artist> = 'Evanescence' OR <Artist> = 'Fair To Midland' OR <Artist> = 'Finley' OR <Artist> = 'Funeral For A Friend' OR <Artist> = 'Ghosts' OR <Artist> = 'Gogol Bordello' OR <Artist> = 'Good Charlotte' OR <Artist> = 'Groove Armada' OR <Artist> = 'Head Automatica' OR <Artist> = 'Hinder' OR <Artist> = 'In This Moment' OR <Artist> = 'Jan Delay & Disko No.1' OR <Artist> = 'Kaiser Chiefs' OR <Artist> = 'Kilians' OR <Artist> = 'Killswitch Engage' OR <Artist> = 'Korn' OR <Artist> = 'Lamb Of God' OR <Artist> = 'Lez Zeppelin' OR <Artist> = 'Linkin Park' OR <Artist> = 'Little Man Tate' OR <Artist> = 'Lost Alone' OR <Artist> = 'Machine Head' OR <Artist> = 'Mando Diao' OR <Artist> = 'Maxïmo Park' OR <Artist> = 'McQueen' OR <Artist> = 'Megadeth' OR <Artist> = 'MIA.' OR <Artist> = 'Mr Hudson & The Library' OR <Artist> = 'Muse' OR <Artist> = 'Mutemath' OR <Artist> = 'My Chemical Romance' OR <Artist> = 'Ohrbooten' OR <Artist> = 'One Fine Day' OR <Artist> = 'Paolo Nutini' OR <Artist> = 'Papa Roach' OR <Artist> = 'Paramore' OR <Artist> = 'Pohlmann' OR <Artist> = 'Razorlight' OR <Artist> = 'Revolverheld' OR <Artist> = 'Saosin' OR <Artist> = 'Silverstein' OR <Artist> = 'Slayer' OR <Artist> = 'Smashing Pumpkins' OR <Artist> = 'Smoke Blow' OR <Artist> = 'Stone Sour' OR <Artist> = 'Sugarplum Fairy' OR <Artist> = 'Sunrise Avenue' OR <Artist> = 'Tele' OR <Artist> = 'The Cat Empire' OR <Artist> = 'The Cribs' OR <Artist> = 'The Fratellis' OR <Artist> = 'The Gallows' OR <Artist> = 'The Higher' OR <Artist> = 'The Hives' OR <Artist> = 'The Kooks' OR <Artist> = 'The Sounds' OR <Artist> = 'The Used' OR <Artist> = 'The White Stripes' OR <Artist> = 'Travis' OR <Artist> = 'Turbostaat' OR <Artist> = 'Type O Negative' OR <Artist> = 'Under The Influence Of Giants' OR <Artist> = 'Velvet Revolver' OR <Artist> = 'Wir Sind Helden' OR <Artist> = 'Wolfmother' OR <Artist> = 'Zoot Woman'|MM filter:Musik allgemein

Since I could not update MagicNodes properly and afterwards was not even able to uninstall MagicNodes correctly, I deleted all MagicNodes parts manually and then installed the new version. After adding my custom nodes into the Mediamonkey.ini file Mediamonkey does not start (just showing the black start screen but nothing else).

I deleted some parts and tried it again, with a very short filter it seems to work - is there a new length restriction anywhere?

[nohitter151]

Since I could not update MagicNodes properly and afterwards was not even able to uninstall MagicNodes correctly, I deleted all MagicNodes parts manually and then installed the new version. After adding my custom nodes into the Mediamonkey.ini file Mediamonkey does not start (just showing the black start screen but nothing else).

that is probably the presets dialog hidden behind the splash screen. Click on the splash screen and hit enter.

[Sven]

that is probably the presets dialog hidden behind the splash screen. Click on the splash screen and hit enter.

No, doesn't seem so. If I click on the splash screen, it tells me that Mediamonkey is not responding after a short while...

[nohitter151]

that is probably the presets dialog hidden behind the splash screen. Click on the splash screen and hit enter.

No, doesn't seem so. If I click on the splash screen, it tells me that Mediamonkey is not responding after a short while...

Try to start with /nosplash commandline parameter to be sure.

[Sven]

Try to start with /nosplash commandline parameter to be sure.

When I do that, I only get the process started but no Mediamonkey window.

(And if I delete the custom nodes it does not like, Mediamonkey behaves as normal... as described before.)

[ZvezdanD]

Seems like the new version (updating from 4.0.4) does not like my "old" MagicNodes

Thanks for the report. I am working on the solution, I suppose that the update would be very soon.

[tatoosh]

The Downloadlink does not wok for me: http://solair.eunet.rs/~zvezdand/MagicNodes-4.1.1.mmip
Is There a mirror ?
THX

[ZvezdanD]

The Downloadlink does not wok for me

I had some problems with my Web provider, I think that it works now. Please try again with the download.

There is the new update, v4.1.1 - 2011-02-18:
* Fixed: hangup of program with some large masks;
* Fixed: error on uninstall of add-on;
* Fixed: random error on start-up with the last selected node on exit from Magic Nodes branch [MM4].

By the way, version 4.1 of this add-on had serious problem with the uninstall using the Extensions dialog box causing the access violation error. If you have that version installed, please do not use the uninstall option. You could install this new version instead (using the Update option from the Extensions dialog box or manually by download and double click on the .mmip file) and then you could use its uninstall if you don't want to have installed this add-on. Sorry for inconvenience.