My current wishlist

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ariel
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My current wishlist

Post by ariel »

I've made myself a list of wishes concerning the things that annoy me in MM - the things that repeatedly cause me to spend extra time because they can't be done directly. I probably mentioned them all before, but since in the past two days I've had occasion to miss all these ...
* A toolbar button to show/hide the offline tracks from whatever track list is in the main panel.

* Delete tracks(files) from within auto-playlists. [I'd also rename the various 'delete's to something like 'remove' from playlist, 'delete' from database and 'zap' from the hard disk]

* Add a 'title' option to the 'find more of the same' context menu function.

* Add a verify-after-burn option in the burn dialog.

* Add an update option to the burn cd process which would:
1. add the burned tracks to the database, and ...
2. optionally delete the records of hd copies and zap the tracks (i.e. a "move to cd')

* Add basic join/split editing function (which could be used also to remove unwanted headers/trailers).

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Post by Bex »

Tip!
To delete tracks within an auto-playlist, add them to the the now playing window (e.g. play them) and delete them there.

/Bex
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Post by ariel »

Bex wrote:Tip!
To delete tracks within an auto-playlist, add them to the the now playing window (e.g. play them) and delete them there.
It's one of the ways to circumvent the issue, but it's not a solution. Besides requiring annoying extra key/mouse actions and having the now playing list visible (which I don't, using the real estate for the main panel list), it's not practical for when you want to hear one set of tracks while working on another set (which happens to me a lot). Other "tricks" include rating the songs to delete with the "bomb" rating, copy/paste into a fixed playlist, etc, but they all require extra actions to a simple 'hit the red X' :(

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Post by Lowlander »

* An option to show/hide offline tracks has been requested, not sure what it's status is

* Deleting tracks should be allowed from auto-playlists. Maybe with an option to enable or disable this.

* Adding title is a logical addition, but in my opinion of limited use.

* Verification of burn would be really useful.

* Burn options sound nice

* Join/split capabilities have been requested. Not sure what the status is.
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Post by Bex »

You're quite right, but it was just a tip. It would be nice if it was possible to delete tracks within a auto-playlists, in fact I would like to here a comment from the MM-team if it could be implemented and if not, why?

Another workaround, which I use in the situation you describe, is to move all tracks in the auto-playlist to a (empty) playlist and then work from there.

/Bex
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Post by Teknojnky »

Lowlander wrote:* Adding title is a logical addition, but in my opinion of limited use.
It would be of great usefulness to find covers, live versions and dupe/similar titled files by other artists.

Hardly 'limited' use.
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Re: My current wishlist

Post by ariel »

ariel wrote:I've made myself a list of wishes concerning the things that annoy me in MM - the things that repeatedly cause me to spend extra time because they can't be done directly. I probably mentioned them all before, but since in the past two days I've had occasion to miss all these ...
And it's been three months, so time for a reminder ...
* A toolbar button to show/hide the offline tracks from whatever track list is in the main panel.
The lack of this feature is becoming more and more annoying. I now have about 26K tracks in the MM database, with 7K of those off line. When I'll finish to digitize, catalogue and backup my music library I'll have over 50K tracks and at least 90% of those will be offline on backup CDs.
* Delete tracks(files) from within auto-playlists. [I'd also rename the various 'delete's to something like 'remove' from playlist, 'delete' from database and 'zap' from the hard disk]
One of the greatest time wasters in MM :(
* Add a 'title' option to the 'find more of the same' context menu function.
See Teknojnky's comment ...
* Add a verify-after-burn option in the burn dialog.
I now consider not a feature to wish for, but a bug.
* Add an update option to the burn cd process which would:
1. add the burned tracks to the database, and ...
2. optionally delete the records of hd copies and zap the tracks (i.e. a "move to cd')
And do it AFTER the CD was verified to see that the burning was ok ...
* Add basic join/split editing function (which could be used also to remove unwanted headers/trailers).
Not much hope for this one :(

Ariel.
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Post by Steegy »

Lowlander wrote:* An option to show/hide offline tracks has been requested, not sure what it's status is
* Deleting tracks should be allowed from auto-playlists. Maybe with an option to enable or disable this.
* Adding title is a logical addition, but in my opinion of limited use.
* Verification of burn would be really useful.
* Burn options sound nice
* Join/split capabilities have been requested. Not sure what the status is.
And I agree for the largest part.
Adding title is a logical addition, but in my opinion of limited use.
In my opinion too. Unless you would use "find similar titles", but what would then be defined "similar"? Plus, this would demand a huge cpu performance to do this.
e.g. "The Moon" and "The Moon (Ferry Corsten Remix)" is not the same title.
e.g. "I feel thinder in my heart" and "I feel thunder in my heart" is not the same title. They also originate from the same song.

Searching manually (like you can do now) seems the best solution to me, as a human is mostly still smarter than the program when it comes to finding similar songs fast.
Join/split capabilities have been requested.
This can be done with scripts. Or do I misunderstand something about this?

Cheers
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Post by ariel »

Steegy wrote:
Lowlander wrote:Adding title is a logical addition, but in my opinion of limited use.
In my opinion too. Unless you would use "find similar titles", but what would then be defined "similar"? Plus, this would demand a huge cpu performance to do this.
e.g. "The Moon" and "The Moon (Ferry Corsten Remix)" is not the same title.
e.g. "I feel thinder in my heart" and "I feel thunder in my heart" is not the same title. They also originate from the same song.

Searching manually (like you can do now) seems the best solution to me, as a human is mostly still smarter than the program when it comes to finding similar songs fast.
"Find identical" (not case sensitive) would already be a great help. This probably doesn't make sense to those who have mostly pop collections, but everyone who has also jazz, traditional, classical, etc, genres knows it's needed.

"Smarter" locates?

One option: compare until the first non-alphanumeric character in the title for which . I.e. find both "song" and "song (live)".

Another option: remove all non alpha-numeric characters from the titles and compare the just the alpha-numeric sequence. Much more computation intensive.

Neither is perfect, but any would be better than the current situation.

As for using "search" ...

In an MM "session" I typically do several things - listen and grade some track, convert others, burn to cd yet others, etc. I.e. I'm constantly moving from one track list to another.

The history of "search" is updated only at exit time (don't understand why) and you can't "back"/"forward" to specific searcches. Search is useless.
Join/split capabilities have been requested.
This can be done with scripts. Or do I misunderstand something about this?
Join/split tracks with scripts? How?

Joininng tracks is needed when you have several short tracks which are actually one "composition" you'll always want to hear together.

Splitting tracks is good for example for removing headers and trailers from tracks (4 minutes of applauses for a 2:30 song, etc). Splitting tracks is also very important when you're digitizing vinyl.

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Post by Teknojnky »

Splitting/joining tracks is IMO in the file editor domain, not so much the music manager domain that MM is in.

Not to say that such a feature wouldn't be nice, however it doesn't seem to be within the scope of MM primary goals which is to manage and play music.

Others may or may not agree that file edits are part of management, I just feel its more suited to specialized applications.
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Post by Steegy »

Join/split: I thought you were talking about track information (tags), instead of the track itself.

A lot of join/splitting utilities exist that you can use, as I also think MediaMonkey development has more important things to do than that.
Maybe external utilities are capable of being called with command line parameters? It would then maybe be possible to call the external utility to join/split the selected track(s) from within MediaMonkey.
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Post by ariel »

Teknojnky wrote:Splitting/joining tracks is IMO in the file editor domain, not so much the music manager domain that MM is in.
MM does go beyond basic database/player functions with features like convert & level. But I agree that it's not a simple extension of existing features.

So here's a "replacement" wish - recordable and saveable keyboard/mouse macros that can be attached to toolbar buttons. There's plenty of unused "real estate" in the toolbars. Such macros could be, for example, partial solutions for my delete from auto-playlist and find more of the same title wishes.

Ariel.
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Post by Teknojnky »

Nod thats a good one, should go with customizable toolbars ala office etc.
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Re: My current wishlist

Post by ariel »

ariel wrote:* Add a 'title' option to the 'find more of the same' context menu function.
A better suggestion:

An option in the context (right-click) menu that will take me to the title view (all titles) sorted on the column where the right-click was done (ascending) and positioned at the track where the right-click was done (i.e. that track selected). For all columns.

But I can't think of a name for the menu entry :(

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