[quote="mcow"]I think that unshared playlists that have been selected for sync from MMW should still be displayed in MMA's options to allow them to be removed from the sync.
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And so it is now.

fyi, this should be fixed as described at http://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=11421 in the next build of MMW (to be posted later this week).

Another possible cause of this type of issue is if multiple profiles exist for a device, one profile being used for Wi-Fi sync, and another used for USB sync. This anomaly can occur for some devices (that don't report a serial # in Android) when upgrading from a version of MMW 4.0 that has synced with the device, and performing a Wi-Fi sync with MMW 4.1 before first syncing via USB (MMA provides warnings about this scenario when initially syncing, so hopefully it'll rarely occur).

-Rusty

For me it isn't a security issue. I have some playlists that exist purely for administrative purposes. The playlist I removed from sharing was an autoplaylist with videos that were added more than one day ago, and I use it to apply my auto-organisation rules on miscellaneous videos so that TV shows that I add aren't automatically moved to the wrong NAS drive before I can tag them. There's no reason to show this list on the DLNA server so I deselected it.

I do agree that setting up multiple DLNA servers would be the right way to go for multiple users, but I'm the only person using my MM server. The rest of my family uses the server built in to my NAS drive because it doesn't require my computer to be on.


I am interested to know what could be causing your problem. Do you have any other apps that could be reading the playlists on the phone?

[quote="rivorson"]I checked MMW's Media Sharing settings and found that under the 'MediaMonkey Library' DLNA server's Shared Content settings the playlists were unchecked.... Consequently the playlists were not available to MMA.[/quote]

When I first noticed that MMA's sync options did not display unshared playlists as candidates for sync, I thought it was a bug, but I've since decided that's a good approach. However, I think that unshared playlists that have been selected for sync from MMW should still be displayed in MMA's options to allow them to be removed from the sync.

[quote="rivorson"]I did some further testing on this by selecting items in the Shared Content list and creating new playlists. If all existing playlists are checked in Shared Content when a new playlist is created then the new playlist will be shared. If one or more playlists is not selected when a new playlist is created then the new playlist will not be shared. I had unchecked a playlist a few weeks ago and that has been the cause of the problem.[/quote]
That's interesting.

[quote="rivorson"]I'm not sure whether this should be considered a bug or not. If the user is being selective about which playlists are shared then it is correct not to automatically share new playlists. My case is the opposite; I had selected one playlist to exclude from sharing and had expected new content to be shared automatically.[/quote]
The potential drawback to not automatically sharing a new playlist sync'd from MMA (which is now automatically added to the sync list) is that some other DLNA client would see that playlist. If that level of fine-grained security is needed ("I don't want my ten-year-old to hear my Cheech & Chong tracks"), I think a better approach overall is to have two servers, one that the "approved" MMA client uses, and blocking other clients, and another server that is more public, with fewer items exposed for sharing.

[quote="Lowlander"][quote="rivorson"]If I create a playlist on my phone it will be synced to MMW on one sync and then deleted on the next sync.[/quote]
This is expected if the Playlist isn't selected to be synced MMW to MMA on the second sync and you have set to delete files not on the sync list.[/quote]
But currently, the behavior is to automatically add the playlist to the synclist; I just tried this. I'm not sure why I see this but [b]rivorson[/b] apparently does not.
But, so, no: the second sync should not remove the playlist from MMA's library without explicitly removing it from the sync-list.

If I understand the discussion in [url=http://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=11279]this issue[/url] correctly, the behavior for a playlist entry created on MMA is different than for a track that came from an opposite source. So I tried this: I d/l'd a track from AmazonMP3 that's not part of my MMW library, added the folder to MMA; the track shows up. Sync (with bi-di enabled): the track was not uploaded to MMW, or mentioned in the confirmation dialog. (However, I am ONCE AGAIN prompted to upload the new playlist I created in the previous step).

Then I created a playlist on MMA and included that AmazonMP3 track, and sync'd again: same result, track not copied (nor playlist) to MMW, but prompted again for the first playlist.

[edit: made that last sentence a little clearer.]

I checked the sync list in MMA and found that none of the selected playlist were present at all. Following this I checked MMW's Media Sharing settings and found that under the 'MediaMonkey Library' DLNA server's Shared Content settings the playlists were unchecked, along with two more playlists and a collection that I had created within the last month. Consequently the playlists were not available to MMA.

I did some further testing on this by selecting items in the Shared Content list and creating new playlists. If all existing playlists are checked in Shared Content when a new playlist is created then the new playlist will be shared. If one or more playlists is not selected when a new playlist is created then the new playlist will not be shared. I had unchecked a playlist a few weeks ago and that has been the cause of the problem.

I'm not sure whether this should be considered a bug or not. If the user is being selective about which playlists are shared then it is correct not to automatically share new playlists. My case is the opposite; I had selected one playlist to exclude from sharing and had expected new content to be shared automatically. Perhaps an option could be added to the Shared Content settings to specify whether new playlists and collections are automatically added to the share list.

Either way my problem is solved. Thanks for your help, Rusty. Your assistance is invaluable.

Can you confirm whether the checked items in the auto-sync list configuration in MMA and MMW match? I've just noticed some strangeness (documented at http://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=11421 ) in which the selected items of the auto-sync list aren't in sync. If that's occurring for you then the workaround is to check off the playlists in MMA.

Thanks.

-Rusty

There's another report of missing playlists at http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=73746 (though I'm not sure if it's the same issue).

I'm trying to replicate, but any more information you can share would help.

Thanks.

-Rusty

I don't believe that is related. All of my play lists were created in MMW except one that I had to recreate on MMA after the playlists had been deleted by this bug. No tracks have been deleted and no playlists remain after the sync. Not even empty playlists.

I will install the debug version of MMW this weekend and submit debug logs from both MMW and MMA after a sync.

Could it be that the problem is: http://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=11387 ? This bug is partially fixed in 176, but essentially, the issue is that if PlaylistA created on MMA contains a subset of tracks from Auto-PlaylistB which has content that is completely dynamically updated (i.e. replaced) with each auto-sync operation, then the contents of PlaylistA are deleted from the device during that auto-sync operation.

-Rusty

No, the problem is syncing MMW to MMA. The playlists are selected to sync and all of the files on the play lists are syncing as expected, but the playlists themselves do not appear on MMA. Playlists that already exist on MMA which are selected to sync are deleted with every sync.

So the problem is syncing from MMA to MMW?

[quote="rivorson"]If I create a playlist on my phone it will be synced to MMW on one sync and then deleted on the next sync.
[/quote]This is expected if the Playlist isn't selected to be synced MMW to MMA on the second sync and you have set to delete files not on the sync list.

The problem still exists in MMW 1667 and MMA 175.

I have tried a complete resync after deleting all media and MMA data from the phone and tablet, and deleting the device profiles in MMW. Both devices are still failing to sync playlists.
If I create a playlist on my phone it will be synced to MMW on one sync and then deleted on the next sync.

I'm using a Nexus 4 and Nexus 7 both with stock Android 4.3.

There are a couple of playlist-related regressions in the last build that should be fixed in 172/1665:
http://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=11370
http://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=11016

-Rusty

That "solution" didn't last. A later sync got back to the "delete this playlist?" prompt again.