Thanks for clarification, we are looking into the other issues as well.

Jiri

Will add some sorting info in tooltip.

[quote=jiri post_id=448118 time=1533562825 user_id=15747]
The generic Genre icon is shown only when we don't have artwork (yet).[/quote]

No, not those:) See here, I meant #1, not #2 [url]https://www.dropbox.com/s/0hlysrk0of3tl57/pencils.png?dl=0[/url]

[quote=jiri post_id=448118 time=1533562825 user_id=15747]
The Composer view shows all the items belonging to a particular composer, i.e. the items don't have to repeat this information and that's why there isn't a Composer column. Or did I misunderstand you?
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I don't think we understand each other ... or maybe I am seeing a bug.

[list]Entire>Library>Composers ... by default, I go into Grid view ... this is good, and is what I expected; an icon|container for each Composer, sorted alphabetically[/list]
[list]but if I stay in the Composer sub-node, and change to List or Album&Tracks view, without selecting any specific Composer... I see all of my tracks, not sorted by Composer ... it feels like I have been pushed out of a composer view[/list]
[list]even if I had selected a Composer in the Grid view, I see the same thing; ie. here I have selected Bach [url]https://www.dropbox.com/s/pcz424s63lbw14w/composer1.png?dl=0[/url], but if I then switch to either of the other views I still see tracks, ... not filtered by Bach, not not sorted by Composer [url]https://www.dropbox.com/s/j9vgnr3bwf5mbgh/composer2.png?dl=0[/url][/list]



[quote=jiri post_id=448118 time=1533562825 user_id=15747]
Well, it isn't complete information, but better than nothing, imho. I wonder, whether this could be improved by showing all the sort fields somewhere, like as a tooltip or as a part of the pop-up menu on headers right-click.
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I don't think that it is better than nothing if it creates confusion.

When I first saw the lone subscript 2 & 5 alongside Album & Title columns I had no idea what they referred to. I thought that they must be some debug code.... And then I saw someone post how useful they were, so I knew that I was missing something. I asked here, and someone explained it to me. .... I have been using MM since 2009, and had never discovered the ctrl click feature to do sub-sorts :oops: . I had always used the Column Browser for that purpose.

I think that your idea of a tooltip is an excellent idea. ... right click menu not so good IMO

4. We could change the default, even though I think that personal preferences will vary here.

The generic Genre icon is shown only when we don't have artwork (yet).

The Composer view shows all the items belonging to a particular composer, i.e. the items don't have to repeat this information and that's why there isn't a Composer column. Or did I misunderstand you?

5.
[quote]I think that your consistency benchmark should be, does it make the display more informative? Telling me which are the 2nd and 5th sort columns, when the grid doesn't even contain the main and middle sort columns, doesn't tell me anything very useful IMO. ... It's like an invoice which just shows the cents owing, but doesn't mention the dollars. ... It's data, but its not information.[/quote]

Well, it isn't complete information, but better than nothing, imho. I wonder, whether this could be improved by showing all the sort fields somewhere, like as a tooltip or as a part of the pop-up menu on headers right-click.

[quote=jiri post_id=448113 time=1533547566 user_id=15747]
4. You can switch to MM4-like Genres view by the top-right View Selector (choose between Genre and Genre category views).

5. I see your point, but I'm not sure that making the numbers visible only when the 1st one is visible would make it better, seems to be rather inconsistent to me. Will try to think about alternatives, but so far can't find anything better. Btw, I guess that your #1 is Album Artist.
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5. Yes AlbumArtist, thanks. I had added that column looking for a #1, but I was looking for a 1, and missed the small up|down arrow thing.

<<<< I'm not sure that making the numbers visible only when the 1st one is visible would make it better, seems to be rather inconsistent to me.>>>>

I think that your consistency benchmark should be, does it make the display more informative? Telling me which are the 2nd and 5th sort columns, when the grid doesn't even contain the main and middle sort columns, doesn't tell me anything very useful IMO. ... It's like an invoice which just shows the cents owing, but doesn't mention the dollars. ... It's data, but its not information.


4. I would make Genre view, rather than Genre categories view, the default. Because IMO the 1st impression of the Categories view, feels sub-optimal and looks broken really, for the reasons in my other post.

And all the pencil overlays just make an otherwise good looking screen, look ugly. ... you already display the pencil up in the breadcrumb menu at the top ... and what else would they all be, other than clickable buttons? ... if I go down one layer further, into a genre, you show all the album art thumbs ... you don't soil each with a pencil, even though they are also clickable buttons.

I have the same comment about the folder overlay used in the folder sub-node.

BTW the I looked at the other sub-nodes to see if they had any filter, like the Genre Category thing.

The Composer sub-node is confusing. It's Grid view is good, and is as expected. But the rows in other views ae effectively randomly sequenced for the composer tag.
The List View column sorts are 1.Title|2.Artist|3.Album ... ie. doesn't sort by Composer, and Composer is not pushed into column 1 ... so in what way is it a "Composer" view?
Album&Tracks view is no better. It's col sort is AlbumArtist|Album|Disc#|Track#|SongTitle

2) already fixed in 2117.

3) tracked as https://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=15004

4. You can switch to MM4-like Genres view by the top-right View Selector (choose between Genre and Genre category views).

5. I see your point, but I'm not sure that making the numbers visible only when the 1st one is visible would make it better, seems to be rather inconsistent to me. Will try to think about alternatives, but so far can't find anything better. Btw, I guess that your #1 is Album Artist.

Thanks for the great feedback! We'll look into the other points...

Jiri

@Barry, good report as usual, thanks.

Some other observations from release [b]2116[/b].

1. So pleased to see that the custom fields now sort correctly for numeric data. Another big plus from MM5. Thanks.

2. Reproducible crash: C62E1290 ... double click an album to go to an album's detail panel ... then right click the album art .... crashes, and UI becomes unresponsive ... need to terminate via Windows Task manager

3. Track Properties dbox ... in MM4 the next|previous buttons retain the same field focus for each track that you navigate to ... MM5 does not do this, there is no active field for each new track that you navigate to via the next|previous buttons

4. Genre home screen (eg. Music>Genres) ... I can't see the value of 2nd layer of this hierarchy ... I have seen other reports of this issue ... you don't agree? here is my top level [url]https://www.dropbox.com/s/zog0a6ulpyacjq9/genre%201.png?dl=0[/url]

None of those buttons are immediately useful. I am still another click away from getting anywhere useful ... ie. The Classic Rock and the Folk_Rock and the Rock categories have been summarised to Rock ... so I have open Rock to see the sub-categories, and then click one of them before I can see albums

Does anyone have enough Genre categories where this becomes useful? IMO the display that you have behind a click on All Genres would be best for the top level, because we are one click closer to our target [url]https://www.dropbox.com/s/zjzuiawhchc487d/genre2.png?dl=0[/url]

It is a greater issue where a top layer category has no sub-categories. I have 8 of these; Blues, R&B, Pop, Latin, Electronic, Country, Folk & World . eg Blues, so I click it on your top level, and you show me other screen where I have to click "Blues" again, before I see the albums. [url]https://www.dropbox.com/s/fypontznp6bnm5t/genre3.png?dl=0[/url]

Something similar for ratings. ... Music>rating shows 12 icons. In my case nearly all of them are empty, but I don't know that they are empty until I click, and then I have to click again to return from an empty display. [url]https://www.dropbox.com/s/qkb2kmluwna3agg/genre4.png?dl=0[/url]

Also the pencil icon that you overlay the Genre icons doesn't seem to add any value. ... It is obvious that this is not the bottom of the drill down

5. Sort sequence 2,5
I see this (2,5) often ... [url]https://www.dropbox.com/s/ei5til51bdwzva5/sortseq.png?dl=0[/url] ... It doesn't tell me anything useful; OK, so Album is the 2nd sort col, and Title is the 5th ... but what are sort cols 1,3 & 4? .. I don't think that you should indicate any sort columns with a sort significance greater than the columns which are also on display (ie. in this case show nothing, because you the major sort column is not on display .. apparently?) .... I added lots of cols to the grid. It seems that Disc# & track# were 3&4, but I could not find out what #1 was.

Thanks, will be fixed in 2117

[quote=Ludek post_id=447717 time=1532522706 user_id=7319]
Re 2) could you please test whether the issue is fixed in 2116 for you?
Re 5) could you submit one more log using 2116 so that I could see the particular album id?
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#2 I went back into MMA. ... UPnP: Albums: The albums showed incorrect art (either blank, or art from some random other album).
The tracks in the album were OK: correct art, not duplicated, and no rubbish in album title.

#5: Music>Album, Art view double click on an album --> dump Id: D3A5C9C0

See PM re your request for a copy of my db.

Re 2) could you please test whether the issue is fixed in 2116 for you?
Re 5) could you submit one more log using 2116 so that I could see the particular album id?

re 5) Thanks for reporting, added as https://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=14984
Could you please zip and share your MM.DB (e.g. PM me the link) ? Based on the logs there is assertion that two albums in your library have same persistent ID (which is unexpected), having your MM.DB would save my time to figure out how this can happen. I also added debug message to 2116 (to see which persistent ID it is)

EDIT: your MM.DB would probably also show why 2) is happening for you

EDIT2: I figured it out, the duplicates appear when accessing them via Artists > Artist1 > Album1
Added as https://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=14985

Thanks!

[quote=PetrCBR post_id=447690 time=1532436557 user_id=3394]
re 3) probably you haven't enabled 'MediaMonkey Player' in the taskbar toolbars (right-click on taskbar and select Toolbars submenu) ? Also for a next build i've added notification for case user switch to micro player mode with taskbar dock disabled.
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Thanks, that was my problem.

re 3) probably you haven't enabled 'MediaMonkey Player' in the taskbar toolbars (right-click on taskbar and select Toolbars submenu) ? Also for a next build i've added notification for case user switch to micro player mode with taskbar dock disabled.