[REQ] Separators in custom fields not working [#19870]

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Re: [REQ] Separators in custom fields not working [#19870]

by thomasfgoodwin » Fri Mar 24, 2023 10:07 am

Just voicing my support for this. I'm using Grouping as a sort of higher-order Genre; continuous DJ mixes are tagged with Grouping "Mix", live performances are Grouping "Live", all electronic dance music has Grouping "EDM", etc. I can use these with Auto-Playlists using 'contains', but the column browser for Grouping ends up being less useful than it otherwise could be, and adding a value to a batch of tracks with differing current values is cumbersome.

If implemented, I'd assign a custom tag to use as a 'censorship tags' field (song is sexually explicit and curses so it's censor field is 'sex;language'). My current implementation is using a manual playlist for each censorship category and excluding those playlists from my 'Clean' auto-playlist, which works but is a little less browsable than how the supported multi-value tags work.

Re: [REQ] Separators in custom fields not working

by IanRTaylorUK » Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:18 am

ed.j wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 6:32 am
I have thought about this kind of setup but really don't want to have two instances of MM running. Should be able to achieve something relatively simple like this with one programme.

It would make your life a lot easier by the way, to have MM4 running in portable mode on the same machine as MM5 - then you wouldn't have to faff around with syncing etc.
Entirely possible to have two instances on one machine but personally I like to have "backups" of the work. Whilst MMW5 (and MMW4 via an add-on) provide a way to backup the MMW database, much of your time and effort is spent on the tags within the files. I am not aware of an easy / low cost way to backup the "tags / files" and find an external HDD (albeit in an old PC) a reasonable way to provide a level of backup.

I seem to recall that a portable install of MMW4 places some limitations on add-ons and "Discogs" tagging AND some commenting in MMW5 was/is(?) "deprecated". If you don't use these particular features then your suggestion should work reasonably well.

Hope this helps.

Re: [REQ] Separators in custom fields not working [#19870]

by Lowlander » Thu Mar 09, 2023 3:04 pm

No, but you can subscribe to this topic to be notified when testing starts.

Re: [REQ] Separators in custom fields not working

by ed.j » Thu Mar 09, 2023 2:52 pm

Lowlander wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 1:16 pm Multi-value mood will be saved as multi-tags for MP3 in MediaMonkey 5.1: https://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=19870
AMAZING THANK YOU

Is there a target release date for 5.1 ?

Re: [REQ] Separators in custom fields not working

by Lowlander » Thu Mar 09, 2023 1:16 pm

Multi-value mood will be saved as multi-tags for MP3 in MediaMonkey 5.1: https://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=19870

Re: [REQ] Separators in custom fields not working

by ed.j » Thu Mar 09, 2023 6:32 am

IanRTaylorUK wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 6:23 am
ed.j wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 6:07 pm
I use MM5 so can't use MM4 addons unfortunately.
If you are lucky enough to have two PCs then I can recommend having a "slave" PC running MMW4 and a "Master" running MMW5. The unlocks ALL the power of the many MMW4 add-ons! Your MMW5 license supports running MMW4.

The technique I use is to synchronise my "master" files (desktop) to the "slave" (laptop) and temporarily exit MMW5.

Now I can use MMW4 and make changes.

When changes are complete, I simply synchronise back the changed files from the "slave" to "master", rescan and MMW5 has then changes.

Obviously both devices need to be on the same network with appropriate sharing set-up.

The add-ons I use in this manner include: Tagging Inconsistencies, RegExp Find and Replace, Magic Nodes, Lyricator and Discogs Tagger.

Synchronisation can be performed using something like Beyond Compare (Barry4679) or Salty Brine's FolderMatch.

Hope this helps.
I have thought about this kind of setup but really don't want to have two instances of MM running. Should be able to achieve something relatively simple like this with one programme.

It would make your life a lot easier by the way, to have MM4 running in portable mode on the same machine as MM5 - then you wouldn't have to faff around with syncing etc.

Re: [REQ] Separators in custom fields not working

by IanRTaylorUK » Thu Mar 09, 2023 6:23 am

ed.j wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 6:07 pm
I use MM5 so can't use MM4 addons unfortunately.
If you are lucky enough to have two PCs then I can recommend having a "slave" PC running MMW4 and a "Master" running MMW5. The unlocks ALL the power of the many MMW4 add-ons! Your MMW5 license supports running MMW4.

The technique I use is to synchronise my "master" files (desktop) to the "slave" (laptop) and temporarily exit MMW5.

Now I can use MMW4 and make changes.

When changes are complete, I simply synchronise back the changed files from the "slave" to "master", rescan and MMW5 has then changes.

Obviously both devices need to be on the same network with appropriate sharing set-up.

The add-ons I use in this manner include: Tagging Inconsistencies, RegExp Find and Replace, Magic Nodes, Lyricator and Discogs Tagger.

Synchronisation can be performed using something like Beyond Compare (Barry4679) or Salty Brine's FolderMatch.

Hope this helps.

Re: [REQ] Separators in custom fields not working

by ed.j » Mon Mar 06, 2023 6:07 pm

Erwin Hanzl wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 1:52 am @ed.j

I use the "CustomFieldsTagger" addon in MM4 - (classification, genre) and it works perfectly, also with MP3,FLAC,OGG,WAV.
How do you get that percentage? Have you interviewed all users personally?

Ich verwende in MM4 das Addon "CustomFieldsTagger" - (Klassifikation, Genre) und es funktioniert tadellos, auch mit MP3,FLAC,OGG, WAV.
Wie kommen sie auf diese Prozentzahl? Haben Sie alle Anwender persönlich befragt?
It was an exaggeration... basically saying I know it probably affects a small number of users.

I use MM5 so can't use MM4 addons unfortunately.

However my comment about mood tags not working for MP3 files is valid!

Re: [REQ] Separators in custom fields not working

by Erwin Hanzl » Mon Mar 06, 2023 1:52 am

@ed.j

I use the "CustomFieldsTagger" addon in MM4 - (classification, genre) and it works perfectly, also with MP3,FLAC,OGG,WAV.
How do you get that percentage? Have you interviewed all users personally?

Ich verwende in MM4 das Addon "CustomFieldsTagger" - (Klassifikation, Genre) und es funktioniert tadellos, auch mit MP3,FLAC,OGG, WAV.
Wie kommen sie auf diese Prozentzahl? Haben Sie alle Anwender persönlich befragt?

Re: [REQ] Separators in custom fields not working

by ed.j » Sun Mar 05, 2023 8:25 am

Thanks guys appreciate the feedback and I know this is an unusual use case. Ideally it would be fixed, because really it should work, but I know that it affects probably 0.000001% of people using MM so is right at the bottom of the pile!

I tried a workaround by using the Mood tag which should be properly supported by MM, however I have found that for MP3 files using a separator does not result in separate tags, but instead a single tag with ";" in the middle. It does however work correctly for FLAC files.

So essentially for MP3 files you cannot properly store multiple Mood tags as they are just bunched together eg "Soft; Lounge; Vocal" rather than having three individual tags.

I think there is a genuine request here for this to be fixed.

Re: [REQ] Separators in custom fields not working

by Peke » Mon Feb 27, 2023 5:09 pm

Hi,
What Lowlander meant if some field (even non standard) have enough traction and become unofficial standard (multiple common apps uses it same way) we are always willing to reconsider and add correct that.

Also, MM open up all fields and there is some functionality needed, while someone is willing to make addon we will be here to give full support and help to make it happen.

Re: [REQ] Separators in custom fields not working

by Lowlander » Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:58 pm

It's not a common request, and making a field a multi-value field does have implications on the database side. However the request stands, if a lot of users provide feedback requesting this it may get picked up.

Re: [REQ] Separators in custom fields not working

by ed.j » Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:57 pm

Can that be changed? I can't see why they shouldn't be multi-value fields?

Re: [REQ] Separators in custom fields not working

by Lowlander » Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:14 am

Custom fields are not designed as multi-value fields, which is why it doesn't work.

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