by Archiv-Cowboy » Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:44 pm
Yes frustrating is the right word, Because I don't know how to explain it any better. Peke seems helpfully, so I haven't assumed bad intentions.
On the other hand I honestly already searched for an other Media Manager (I give it up to find a program, that can handle pictures, too. There isn't any media all-around software) But its very difficult to find appropriate tools. The Google Search is a big mess, too, because if you search for Media Management Software, you get Social Media Stuff. If you typed in Music and Video, you get Music Player and Stuff.
And if you really find some advanced file Management Tools in most cases they have a lot of downs in the actual functionality. Video means most movies or episodes, not YT-Videos or private Stuff. So many of them only have a collection function with database uplink to IMDb without opportunities to scan files or give them on Data.
Other programs fully operate with a own database, that means the file metadata aren't read or edited by the program. And not all of these programs have a advanced database, that generates entries for Informations about Producers, Publishers, etc. I tried to combine a other tool with Media Monkeys functionality to mass edit file metadata, but the other tool don't use the files meta data, don't import the values or is able to edit them. That's bad because you fully bound to this programs. In the case of media monkey the files themselfes carry most of the metadata and they are readable by windows in the file properties, too, so they aren't lost.
It is one thing to have general Information about Acots, Producers, Interprets bound to a program-specific database, but it is a other thing, if you need this program on all devices, to work with your files or have double work to tag them properly, because you still need the files meta-data if you want to use file search or sorting by a simple media player.
I haven't find a good solution, yet. Media Monkey was still closest to what i want achieve, if they had a simple database structure with opportunity to create custom value fields for the producers, while the core-functionality handle the files and using the files metadata isn't touched.
It's ironic some way, that it is become fully common to handle and work with files, especially with media files private or on work, but there still isn't good software (free to us or for prices, that private customers can pay) or actual supported software. I'm archive and using many video clips and take care of noting sources, documenting release dates, links and having additional information about the content creator is important so. And it's the best to have it in one place, so I can easily switch the files and have all the information i need only one or two clicks away.
Frustrating indeed
Barry4679 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:58 pm
Archiv-Cowboy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:16 pm
I used MM5 the last months and you already have a sorting for actors, producers etc in the organizing tree. And you have already the function to right-click on (for example) an actor to give him a picture of your choice. so it seems there is already a function that has created an entry in some sort of backend database for the name, in the way you can attach informations, like a picture on it.
If you right click on the actors entry there is still another point in the context-menu. You have there "properties", too, like for a file, but in the moment it has no other use than opening property editing on all files with that actors name as value.
Why not open the properties of the selected Actor, Producer, Publisher, Interpret, etc. etc. in this way instead with the opportunity to add custom value-fields to them, so the user can decide, what information he want to add. This is what I suggested earlier.
The only meaningful conditions should be that the entries are stable (and not disappear if all files, that carry the actors name are disappear, what comments did in MM4) and backupable/ exportable on other devices.
Hi Archiv-Cowboy,
you must be feeling frustrated. The more you write (and clearly btw) explain your request, the less they seem to want to understand what you are asking.
I think that the truth is that they have nothing that they can offer you atm.
The only "media" that the MediaMonkey database recognises as 1st class citizens is music tracks, and also video items in a limited sense.
For this 1st release of MM5, the database has not changed from what was in the MM4 database.
Your videos are added into the "Songs" table in the database. They have added a few video-specific columns to a "song" ; eg. Actor, Director, EpisideNumber, etc.
You can add custom columns at the individual video (aka Song) detail level, using the existing Customxx columns, like Peke is describing.
But MM5 has gone backwards in the area of the group columns that you are interested in,eg. at the Actor and Producer, etc levels ... ie. things or people that are involved in a group of songs|movies|episodes. They have
quietly dropped support for custom notes at group levels, like artist (aka Actor) and album (aka television Series) levels, as you have discovered. ... This is a really surprising (un)development, because it makes MM less of a "media" database IMO.
Maybe they can be convinced to add custom group columns to MM in a later version. Peke says he has created an internal topic, but we can't be sure because we even though he posted you a link for some reason, we cannot read what he has written, and it is not clear that he understands what you are saying. ... and unless I am mistaken, someone appears to have deleted a comment that I made in this thread that referring to that dead link, which calls into question their intentions here.
In the meantime you would be better looking for another app ie a real "media" database ... if one does exist. I would guess that one does exist. There used to be
CatVids, but although he is still supporting his app, he is no longer selling new licences.
Yes frustrating is the right word, Because I don't know how to explain it any better. Peke seems helpfully, so I haven't assumed bad intentions.
On the other hand I honestly already searched for an other Media Manager (I give it up to find a program, that can handle pictures, too. There isn't any media all-around software) But its very difficult to find appropriate tools. The Google Search is a big mess, too, because if you search for Media Management Software, you get Social Media Stuff. If you typed in Music and Video, you get Music Player and Stuff.
And if you really find some advanced file Management Tools in most cases they have a lot of downs in the actual functionality. Video means most movies or episodes, not YT-Videos or private Stuff. So many of them only have a collection function with database uplink to IMDb without opportunities to scan files or give them on Data.
Other programs fully operate with a own database, that means the file metadata aren't read or edited by the program. And not all of these programs have a advanced database, that generates entries for Informations about Producers, Publishers, etc. I tried to combine a other tool with Media Monkeys functionality to mass edit file metadata, but the other tool don't use the files meta data, don't import the values or is able to edit them. That's bad because you fully bound to this programs. In the case of media monkey the files themselfes carry most of the metadata and they are readable by windows in the file properties, too, so they aren't lost.
It is one thing to have general Information about Acots, Producers, Interprets bound to a program-specific database, but it is a other thing, if you need this program on all devices, to work with your files or have double work to tag them properly, because you still need the files meta-data if you want to use file search or sorting by a simple media player.
I haven't find a good solution, yet. Media Monkey was still closest to what i want achieve, if they had a simple database structure with opportunity to create custom value fields for the producers, while the core-functionality handle the files and using the files metadata isn't touched.
It's ironic some way, that it is become fully common to handle and work with files, especially with media files private or on work, but there still isn't good software (free to us or for prices, that private customers can pay) or actual supported software. I'm archive and using many video clips and take care of noting sources, documenting release dates, links and having additional information about the content creator is important so. And it's the best to have it in one place, so I can easily switch the files and have all the information i need only one or two clicks away.
Frustrating indeed :-?
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I used MM5 the last months and you already have a sorting for actors, producers etc in the organizing tree. And you have already the function to right-click on (for example) an actor to give him a picture of your choice. so it seems there is already a function that has created an entry in some sort of backend database for the name, in the way you can attach informations, like a picture on it.
If you right click on the actors entry there is still another point in the context-menu. You have there "properties", too, like for a file, but in the moment it has no other use than opening property editing on all files with that actors name as value.
Why not open the properties of the selected Actor, Producer, Publisher, Interpret, etc. etc. in this way instead with the opportunity to add custom value-fields to them, so the user can decide, what information he want to add. This is what I suggested earlier.
The only meaningful conditions should be that the entries are stable (and not disappear if all files, that carry the actors name are disappear, what comments did in MM4) and backupable/ exportable on other devices.
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Hi Archiv-Cowboy,
you must be feeling frustrated. The more you write (and clearly btw) explain your request, the less they seem to want to understand what you are asking.
I think that the truth is that they have nothing that they can offer you atm.
The only "media" that the MediaMonkey database recognises as 1st class citizens is music tracks, and also video items in a limited sense.
For this 1st release of MM5, the database has not changed from what was in the MM4 database.
Your videos are added into the "Songs" table in the database. They have added a few video-specific columns to a "song" ; eg. Actor, Director, EpisideNumber, etc.
You can add custom columns at the individual video (aka Song) detail level, using the existing Customxx columns, like Peke is describing.
But MM5 has gone backwards in the area of the group columns that you are interested in,eg. at the Actor and Producer, etc levels ... ie. things or people that are involved in a group of songs|movies|episodes. They have [url=http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=472402#p472402]quietly dropped support[/url] for custom notes at group levels, like artist (aka Actor) and album (aka television Series) levels, as you have discovered. ... This is a really surprising (un)development, because it makes MM less of a "media" database IMO.
Maybe they can be convinced to add custom group columns to MM in a later version. Peke says he has created an internal topic, but we can't be sure because we even though he posted you a link for some reason, we cannot read what he has written, and it is not clear that he understands what you are saying. ... and unless I am mistaken, someone appears to have deleted a comment that I made in this thread that referring to that dead link, which calls into question their intentions here.
In the meantime you would be better looking for another app ie a real "media" database ... if one does exist. I would guess that one does exist. There used to be [url=.https://www.fnprg.com/catvids/helpfile/index.html]CatVids[/url], but although he is still supporting his app, he is no longer selling new licences.
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