MediaMonkey iTunes plugin (d_itunes4.dll)

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Zeeno
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Re: MediaMonkey iTunes device plugin (d_itunes.dll)

Post by Zeeno »

Mark,

I definately think it's iTunes that is changing the modified date, but I think it's because of the plugin. Just a guess, but it seems like iTunes is appending the ID3 tags or something upon import, and by design whenever iTunes changes the tag, it updates the modified date.

I did a few tests to see under what circumstances iTunes would change the modified date and it seems to only be if the tag is updated (not when the file is added to iTunes). If I drop an mp3 into iTunes, it doesn't change the modified date, just the date added, which is expected. Also, like I said, when using the older version of the plugin, iTunes isn't changing the date when files are first imported.

I think the options you came with up for the modified date are great.

For the 'Date Added' stamp, I think this would be good...
  • Date follows MM's "Date Added"
  • Date is set to when it was first synced with iTunes (the way it is now)
Basically, I like the modified date to be left as the date/time the mp3 was first downloaded and not be updated despite tag changes, album art, syncs, etc. MM is ok with that; iTunes isn't, which is why I never make tag changes in iTunes.

Thanks for looking into this.
markstuartwalker
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Re: MediaMonkey iTunes device plugin (d_itunes.dll)

Post by markstuartwalker »

@zeeno

MM has an option "Modify timestamp when updating tags". From your description iTunes seems to be behaving like it's equivalent of this switch is permanently on, even if you modify attributes directly in iTunes (try renaming a track!) the date updates.

The modification and added date in iTunes seems to be read-only so I may have trouble reseting them back to the date that I want. :(

Mark
Windows 7,8 / Ubuntu 13.10 / Mavericks 10.9 / iOS 7.1 / iTunes 11.1
iTunes plugin (d_itunes & itunes4) http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewto ... =2&t=45713
Running MM under Mac OS X with Wine http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewto ... =4&t=58507
Zeeno
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Joined: Thu Jun 18, 2009 7:24 pm

Re: MediaMonkey iTunes device plugin (d_itunes.dll)

Post by Zeeno »

markstuartwalker wrote:@zeeno

MM has an option "Modify timestamp when updating tags". From your description iTunes seems to be behaving like it's equivalent of this switch is permanently on, even if you modify attributes directly in iTunes (try renaming a track!) the date updates.

The modification and added date in iTunes seems to be read-only so I may have trouble reseting them back to the date that I want. :(

Mark
Right. One of the most annoying things for me about iTunes is that there is no equivilent to MM's "Modify timestamp when updating tags" option. If you make any changes to the file (even a rename like you said), the date updates. But since it normally doesn't change the date on import, as long as you never make any changes to the files while in iTunes, it should never change the date.

The old plugin (1/29/2010), seems like it didn't give iTunes any reason to change the date, the new one does for some reason.

I'm gonna test each plugin version from 1/29/2010 up to the most recent one to see if I can pin down for you when this changed.

I don't wanna bug you too much with this. If it's not possible to reverse or too much of a hassle, I'll just stick with the old plugin, which I love. I should be ok until there's a major iTunes update, which knowing Apple will probably break everything for a while anyways :roll:

Thanks.
Zeeno
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Re: MediaMonkey iTunes device plugin (d_itunes.dll)

Post by Zeeno »

Found when it starts. The dates start going wrong for me starting with the plugin uploaded 02/22/2010. All the plugins before that are fine, but this one and all the ones after cause the modified date to change when a file is first synced between MM and iTunes using the plugin.
markstuartwalker
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Re: MediaMonkey iTunes device plugin (d_itunes.dll)

Post by markstuartwalker »

I don't see the change that might cause this ... there was alot going on at that time ...

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15/2/2010

* debug level 0,1,2 added

* Internal classes created for configuration and logging

* Removed the redundant 'Library name' configuration setting

* DeviceID extracted from DEVICES table and SQL that updates the DEVICETRACKS table filtered by IDDEVICE so will not affect tracks synched to more than one device

* additional check to prevent playcounts going backwards

* Converted files renamed rather than copied to temporary location (so faster)

16/2/2010

* Minor bug fix (induced yesterday) to allow ratings to be updated in MM from iTunes

* Converted files moved to a temporary location (quicker if on same drive)

* Converted files named better to avoid disk-eating issues caused by repeated convertion

* Streamlined tss fields to reduce memory footprint and speed DB access

17/2/2010

* Statistics gathered and reported at end of sync

* Logging messages get a good review and streamline

* Additional iTunes pointers stored in cahce so reducing number of iTunes calls

* Better use of caching to still further improve the sync performance

18/2/2010

* Converted filenames are now derived from path rather than just file name to avoid duplications

* Logging timestamps added

19/2/2010

* Freshly updated tracks written to DB immediately rather than at sync end

* deleteTrack and freshenTrack made to use Cached information

* Internally reorganised to use MM SongData.ID in place of the iTunes persistedID

* Used iTunes itTrack.SeasonNumber as storage for ID values (big improvement in scanning)

24/2/2010

* FreeSpace and Capacity can be read from a device connected to iTunes

25/2/2010

* Converted files can be deleted afterwards

* Connected devices can be sync'd before/after iTunes sync

* Location of iTunes tracks reported so that they can be played in iTunes

* Tracks with seasonNumber=0 are ignored in scan. This help compatibility 
Do you use any conversions when sending the files to iTunes?

Mark
Windows 7,8 / Ubuntu 13.10 / Mavericks 10.9 / iOS 7.1 / iTunes 11.1
iTunes plugin (d_itunes & itunes4) http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewto ... =2&t=45713
Running MM under Mac OS X with Wine http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewto ... =4&t=58507
Zeeno
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Re: MediaMonkey iTunes device plugin (d_itunes.dll)

Post by Zeeno »

markstuartwalker wrote:I don't see the change that might cause this ... there was alot going on at that time ...

Do you use any conversions when sending the files to iTunes?

Mark
No conversions. Only things checked are:
  • Sychronise playcounts and ratings
  • Soft delete playlists
  • Delete tracks that aren't on the auto sync list
  • Use only the first genre when multiple genres exist
markstuartwalker
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Re: MediaMonkey iTunes device plugin (d_itunes.dll)

Post by markstuartwalker »

New version http://www.mediafire.com/?mjwwgnnjwcy

8/4/2010
* Rating of MM=79 not back-overwritten with it=80
16/4/2010
* Artwork updated in iTunes from MM if the number of images is different (replacing artwork WON'T update)

Artwork is now updated in iTunes from MM. There have been problems in implementing this as there is no way to check if artwork image content has changed. As a compromise the update only occurs if the NUMBER of images is different.

These will work ...
  • If there is no image in iTunes and one gets added to MM then iTunes will be updated.
  • If there is one image in iTunes and MM and then a second one gets added to MM then iTunes will be updated with the second image.
  • If there is one image in iTunes and MM removes the image then iTunes will be updated by deleting the image.
This will NOT work (unfortunately) ...
  • If the same images in both iTunes and MM and then the MM images get replaced (with the same number) then iTunes will NOT be updated.
If you do need to replace artwork then any of the following workarounds will do.
  • Remove the MM artwork. Sync. Add new artwork. Sync.
  • Replace the MM artwork. Add additional dummy artwork to ensure number is different. Sync.
  • Replace the MM artwork. Manually delete files in iTunes. Sync.
Mark
Windows 7,8 / Ubuntu 13.10 / Mavericks 10.9 / iOS 7.1 / iTunes 11.1
iTunes plugin (d_itunes & itunes4) http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewto ... =2&t=45713
Running MM under Mac OS X with Wine http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewto ... =4&t=58507
markstuartwalker
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Joined: Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:10 am

Re: MediaMonkey iTunes device plugin (d_itunes.dll)

Post by markstuartwalker »

Right. One of the most annoying things for me about iTunes is that there is no equivilent to MM's "Modify timestamp when updating tags" option. If you make any changes to the file (even a rename like you said), the date updates. But since it normally doesn't change the date on import, as long as you never make any changes to the files while in iTunes, it should never change the date.
Originally any change in MM ID3tag attributes caused the plugin to re-import the file into iTunes. From what you say iTunes doesn't update the date at this point (actually I think that is a bug in itself). The problem with that approach is that re-importing causes reconversion (if configured) which is very time consuming (15 seconds per track).

To avoid the re-importing the plugin was changed to spot differences in tags and only update the necessary ones (negligible per track). This was much faster. However, a side effect is that the iTunes modification time gets bumped when these updates occur.

I don't see any way around this. The modification time is read-only to my code so my hands are tied.

Can you look at your method of using the modification time in iTunes? Are you wanting this to be a date that represents the modification of the audio content, if so then won't the Year attribute do that?

Another alternative might be to assign an unused field with the date that you want. I already use the Series field for the MM ID.

Yet another option might be to split the Synchronise switch to allow ID3tags to be not synchronised. Obviously you'll lose the sync but the dates would become static.

Mark
Windows 7,8 / Ubuntu 13.10 / Mavericks 10.9 / iOS 7.1 / iTunes 11.1
iTunes plugin (d_itunes & itunes4) http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewto ... =2&t=45713
Running MM under Mac OS X with Wine http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewto ... =4&t=58507
Firetribe
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Re: MediaMonkey iTunes device plugin (d_itunes.dll)

Post by Firetribe »

Even if I run MM in Admin-mode I get the Access-violation-error. And I can't switch into Debug mode because I haven't got this registry key...can anybody help?
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markstuartwalker
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Re: MediaMonkey iTunes device plugin (d_itunes.dll)

Post by markstuartwalker »

Firetribe wrote:Even if I run MM in Admin-mode I get the Access-violation-error. And I can't switch into Debug mode because I haven't got this registry key...can anybody help?
The registry key won't exist until the plugin closes (yeah, Catch 22). Alternatively create the registry key manually.

There is some debug output that will come out with debug=0 (the default). Please install the debugview application as described above and capture the output.

Mark

p.s. I've updated the initial page to make this a little clearer.
Windows 7,8 / Ubuntu 13.10 / Mavericks 10.9 / iOS 7.1 / iTunes 11.1
iTunes plugin (d_itunes & itunes4) http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewto ... =2&t=45713
Running MM under Mac OS X with Wine http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewto ... =4&t=58507
Firetribe
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Re: MediaMonkey iTunes device plugin (d_itunes.dll)

Post by Firetribe »

Okay, managed to get a log. I started MM with the newest plugin and tried to synchronize it with iTunes, nothing happened, as expected. This is what I got from DebugView:

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When getting the access violation error by expanding the "artist" or "album" or whatever tree in the iTunes device in MM, nothing gets debugged. The registry key I made is a DWORD 32-Bit Key, named "debug" and with the value 2. Anything I forgot? Thanks for your help so far...
Last edited by Bex on Fri Apr 16, 2010 2:32 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: Put the log in code brackets
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markstuartwalker
Posts: 931
Joined: Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:10 am

Re: MediaMonkey iTunes device plugin (d_itunes.dll)

Post by markstuartwalker »

For some reason the plugin is using a different key location to mine ie Songs-db in place of mediamonkey.

Edit the debug entry at that point and capture more output.
Windows 7,8 / Ubuntu 13.10 / Mavericks 10.9 / iOS 7.1 / iTunes 11.1
iTunes plugin (d_itunes & itunes4) http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewto ... =2&t=45713
Running MM under Mac OS X with Wine http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewto ... =4&t=58507
Firetribe
Posts: 74
Joined: Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:04 am

Re: MediaMonkey iTunes device plugin (d_itunes.dll)

Post by Firetribe »

You were right, in Songs-DB there was the debug-key. I set it to 2, but no other information was captured, at least at first view. This is what I captured:

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[4536] iTunes Plugin 12:27:49 PM Open registry
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[4536] iTunes Plugin 12:27:49 PM Read values \Software\Songs-DB\Device\iTunes\
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markstuartwalker
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Re: MediaMonkey iTunes device plugin (d_itunes.dll)

Post by markstuartwalker »

@Firetribe

Please confirm that you're using the latest version of the plugin from http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=b7ee ... 6b9a6e1ed0

The Validdate exception occurrs when dates are not read in the correct manner for the regional settings. This is a fixed bug in hte latest release.

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25/3/2010
* Dates from DB via explicit code to accommodate either of ',' or '.' AT LAST!!
You should now have some other values around the Debug entry in the registry. Can you tell me what the "sourceName" value is. Mine is 'Library'.

Mark
Windows 7,8 / Ubuntu 13.10 / Mavericks 10.9 / iOS 7.1 / iTunes 11.1
iTunes plugin (d_itunes & itunes4) http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewto ... =2&t=45713
Running MM under Mac OS X with Wine http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewto ... =4&t=58507
Firetribe
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Re: MediaMonkey iTunes device plugin (d_itunes.dll)

Post by Firetribe »

Yeah, me too, my value at sourceName is also Library.

I'm using the first download, that was released on 30.03.2010. Should be the latest...
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