Player display length in "Minutes:Sec" only withou

by **rovingcowboy** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:46 pm

this is also corrected in most of my skins and i believe nohitter151's skin along with the others. as it is a simple code change in the player ini file. and a simple text area change on the player to show the time in
hours minutes and seconds.

by **nohitter151** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:22 pm

soisitfixed wrote:so.. uh.. was this fixed?

I am coming from Windows Media player and my car audio system, both of which display playing time as such:

5:30 (Five minutes and thirty seconds)
55:30 (Fifty-five minutes and thirty seconds)
1:03:30 (One hour three minutes and thirty seconds)

It pains me top have to mentally convert the current mm:ss time position (example 63:30 = 1:03:30) of a 5 hour long prerecorded talk show so I can sync my listening between my workpc, car audio, and home entertainment system multiple times per day.

I would love to have the option that was very clearly described by Kilmatead above.... mm:ss for songs <1 hour and H:mm:s for songs >1 hour

This is already fixed in the default MM skin.

by **soisitfixed** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:38 am

so.. uh.. was this fixed?

I am coming from Windows Media player and my car audio system, both of which display playing time as such:

5:30 (Five minutes and thirty seconds)
55:30 (Fifty-five minutes and thirty seconds)
1:03:30 (One hour three minutes and thirty seconds)

It pains me top have to mentally convert the current mm:ss time position (example 63:30 = 1:03:30) of a 5 hour long prerecorded talk show so I can sync my listening between my workpc, car audio, and home entertainment system multiple times per day.

I would love to have the option that was very clearly described by Kilmatead above.... mm:ss for songs <1 hour and H:mm:s for songs >1 hour

by **Kilmatead** » Thu May 22, 2008 11:47 am

Fair enough, I get it now. At least I got you half way there. Though they do say that consistency is the hobgoblin of...

by **Big Isch** » Thu May 22, 2008 11:39 am

Kilmatead wrote:I'm a bit confused... is 'hh:mm:ss' not good enough?

Well, now I'm a bit confused too !

I try to rephrase the issue, as I did not describe it properly:

1. in MM, except for the player, track-times of one hour and above
are shown as "hh:mm:ss", e.g. "1:28:22".
The Player shows just "mm:ss", so the same track is shown as "88:22" (which is inconstent with MM).

2. in MM, and also in the player, times below one hour
are shown as "mm:ss", e.g. 8:22.
Also player shows "8:22".

I asked for the same display in "MM" and "Player" for times below ("8:22") and above ("1:28:22") one hour.

No, I did not want to have "0:8:22" in the player ... just "8:22" as in rest of MM.

Yes, I do want "1:28:22" in the player ... just like in the rest of MM.

There seem to be just the two options for formatting in skins:
- "hh:mm:ss" ... problem is below one hour, see above "0:8:22"
- "mm:ss" ... problem is longer one hour in player, see above "88:22"

Thats is why I proposed a new "H:mm:ss", that results to:
- "hh:mm:ss" for greater and equal one hour
- "mm:ss" for less one hour.

I hope, I could express myself clearly (and understood other posts).

by **Kilmatead** » Thu May 22, 2008 11:01 am

Big Isch wrote:What is needed would be a format "H:mm:ss", that displays the 'Hour' (and colon) for times of at least 1 hour only.

I'm a bit confused... is 'hh:mm:ss' not good enough? I understand the wish for hours (that's why I learned to change it myself), but I find it a bit distressing for the human race if '0:03:20' (a superfluous leading '0:') is considered an unfortunately outrageous price to pay if you have a 3 minute song.

As I recall, Austria has National Service, so a pseudo-military-time layout should come as second nature. Right fond of it myself. Maybe that's what I get for growing up watching Wargames.

Beats '127.30' minute displays.

Big Isch wrote:In WiKi, I cannot find list of available formats.

I do agree the Wiki's a bit scarce of useful minutia though.

by **PetrCBR** » Thu May 22, 2008 7:41 am

This option with upper case masks (for Day and Hour) will be added into next release.

by **Big Isch** » Thu May 22, 2008 4:27 am

Kilmatead wrote:Under an entry called [PlayerSkin] there's a setting for 'TimeFormat=mm:ss'

change this to 'TimeFormat=hh:mm:ss'.

In WiKi, I cannot find list of available formats.

What is needed would be a format "H:mm:ss", that displays the
'Hour' (and colon) for times of at least 1 hour only.

Anyone knows, where these formats are defined ? Are they customizable,
or can one request the new format proposed above ?

by **Kilmatead** » Thu May 22, 2008 4:03 am

@Drjboulder,

You must have been the trucker who gave me a lift when hitching to Snowmass 20 years ago in the rain. Everything else related to Colorado (and Coloradian women) is just a painful memory from another continent long long ago. Breathe in the sky there for me, mate, Europe's pollution's turning me green (which is probably why I live in Ireland). Don't believe the tourist brochures.

Does this mean I can't "turn to the Darkside"? There are demon's in them there scripts...

by **drjboulder** » Thu May 22, 2008 3:48 am

Off Topic...
@Kilmatead
Wish we had a welcome to the forums thread.
You have been here a little over a month and I have noticed that you have been providing thoughtful (Sisyphus!!!) , useful and sometimes humorous responses!

Keep it up!

and yeah, most skinners would not include hours in time display. But, it is a pretty easy mod.

by **Kilmatead** » Thu May 22, 2008 1:51 am

(Maybe I'm a bit late with this, but as no one saw fit to redirect his last question, I'll add this:)

When in doubt, do it yourself. Check out the MM Skin Wiki for instructions on how to extract the skin data to a \Test directory so you can play with it.

When there, edit the 'player.ini' file (it's just a text file)

Under an entry called [PlayerSkin] there's a setting for 'TimeFormat=mm:ss'

change this to 'TimeFormat=hh:mm:ss'.

Now, no doubt the more experienced skinners will point out that this will lead to all sorts of 'Size=' field compatibility conflicts, but it's nothing a little common sense and trial and error can't sort out. You can't hurt anything (if you screw it all up, just delete the folder and start over).

While there, you might find all sorts of other stuff that you would like to change. Jump in and muck with it. The MM Artwork Forum contains loads of very confusing (but fun!) information and headaches. Welcome.

by **Big Isch** » Fri May 09, 2008 12:32 am

Thanks for explanation.

How could this usability issue be solved ?

As "h

s" and "m:s" is possible, why not add a third formatting version to be consistent with rest of MM ?

by **nohitter151** » Thu May 08, 2008 1:50 pm

Big Isch wrote:....

You did tell that problem is skinning. Is this a problem of skins to
use "m:s" for times less one houre and ELSE "hs" ?

Yes, thats not possible to configure into a skin.

by **Big Isch** » Thu May 08, 2008 11:14 am

nohitter151 wrote:Exactly, but in adding hs to the player you ruin that consistency. Imagine a situation where MM displays a track as 3:12 but the player reads 0:3:12. Since its is likely more common that users have libraries of tracks mostly LESS than 1 hour long, most skins opt for a m:s display of time.

In all places in MM, the "hour" part displays only for times of at least one hour.
That means your that your example of "0:3:12" would display as "3:12." as it does in ALL other places of MM.

You did tell that problem is skinning. Is this a problem of skins to
use "m:s" for times less one hour and ELSE "h

s" ?

by **nohitter151** » Thu May 08, 2008 10:17 am

Big Isch wrote:
nohitter151 wrote:Most skins define time this way, its more convenient this way than to constantly list 0:3:12 for an average-length song.
In all places in MM, the "hour" part displays only for times of at least one hour.

E.g. MM displays a track-length 1:28:24, while the player displays 88:24.

It would be convenient and desirable to have consistent display of times throughout Mediamonley.

Exactly, but in adding h

s to the player you ruin that consistency. Imagine a situation where MM displays a track as 3:12 but the player reads 0:3:12. Since its is likely more common that users have libraries of tracks mostly LESS than 1 hour long, most skins opt for a m:s display of time.

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