okay so i'm old school and said knob instead of slider but i am using that for the dividing of the sound in to %, :)

Cowboy is just using the volume slide for the percentage levels read his post again he said that.

[quote="rovingcowboy"]
but that is too much info for just wanting to get cdroms burned loud enough to hear in the car. which is where % comes in. just dividing the sound in to % for a logical sound limit increase on burning cdroms. which is why i always think of it as % and not db's i am burning discs mostly, i do have db's on the display of the stereo so i know they are different like that, but i found it much easyer to understand simple tech then high tech. if you were to post that knowledge you did in the first reply, the guy/ gal would look at that and only understand if they were a tech person. some kid of say 10 yrs old would look at that and say what is that?, so for simple understanding i think % for sound.[/quote]
Look RC, I know it is nice to simply things, but you can't simplify things to the point of what you are saying being completely wrong! Just look at your example:
[quote]full is 100% half is 50% a third is 20% and so on.[/quote]

In reality, 100dB is 243 times louder than 50dB! But you are saying that 100 is only double that of 50.

243x vs. 2x ... if you are that far off, what is the point of explaining it that way? It's not accurate at all!

[quote="nohitter151"][quote="rovingcowboy"]
sorry i use the % of the 100 % of full sound. and to me 89 db's is just 89% of full sound. i keep forgetting to change the % in my mind to db's when posting. :)[/quote]
But that isn't accurate at all. The measurement of noise (bels and decibels) is logarithmic. In other words 40 decibels is not just twice as loud as 20 decibels. And, 40 decibels is actually about nine times as loud as 20 decibels. The reason for this is that loudness increases approximately three times for every bel (or 10 decibels). So 30 decibels is three times as loud as 20 decibels. 40 decibels is three times as loud as 30 decibels. This makes 40 decibels nine times as loud as 20 decibels. Loudness itself is quite subjective. What sounds twice as loud to one person may not sound twice as loud to another. To the average human ear, however, an increase of 10 decibels means that the perceivable increase in noise is triple the noise.

To contrast, a percentage would be linear, so you'd expect that the setting of 40% would be about double the volume of 20% (which is certainly not the case here).[/quote]


but that is too much info for just wanting to get cdroms burned loud enough to hear in the car. which is where % comes in. just dividing the sound in to % for a logical sound limit increase on burning cdroms. which is why i always think of it as % and not db's i am burning discs mostly, i do have db's on the display of the stereo so i know they are different like that, but i found it much easyer to understand simple tech then high tech. if you were to post that knowledge you did in the first reply, the guy/ gal would look at that and only understand if they were a tech person. some kid of say 10 yrs old would look at that and say what is that?, so for simple understanding i think % for sound. full is 100% half is 50% a third is 20% and so on. the volume knob only goes full up or down it does not do 3 times to the right or left then up or down. :)

[quote="rovingcowboy"]
sorry i use the % of the 100 % of full sound. and to me 89 db's is just 89% of full sound. i keep forgetting to change the % in my mind to db's when posting. :)[/quote]
But that isn't accurate at all. The measurement of noise (bels and decibels) is logarithmic. In other words 40 decibels is not just twice as loud as 20 decibels. And, 40 decibels is actually about nine times as loud as 20 decibels. The reason for this is that loudness increases approximately three times for every bel (or 10 decibels). So 30 decibels is three times as loud as 20 decibels. 40 decibels is three times as loud as 30 decibels. This makes 40 decibels nine times as loud as 20 decibels. Loudness itself is quite subjective. What sounds twice as loud to one person may not sound twice as loud to another. To the average human ear, however, an increase of 10 decibels means that the perceivable increase in noise is triple the noise.

To contrast, a percentage would be linear, so you'd expect that the setting of 40% would be about double the volume of 20% (which is certainly not the case here).

[quote="nohitter151"][quote="rovingcowboy"]but if monkey's options are set to use 89 pecent of volume for cd burning then he will only use 89 percent of what ever the cdrom has on it. so if the option is on. it will change it. which is what the rest of the thread is talking about. a turned on option. so saying it is not right. is in fact a wrong thing to do. sure turning the option off will get the same copy of the cdrom that is not what was being said here. they mentioned the option so we answered for the option as if it was turned on. :D[/quote]
RC, I don't know what you're talking about. There is no "89%", it is dB (decibels), not a percentage in the MM options.[/quote]


sorry i use the % of the 100 % of full sound. and to me 89 db's is just 89% of full sound. i keep forgetting to change the % in my mind to db's when posting. :)

oh for crying out loud you think it would be easy to find your own post in this forum? i been looking for an hour or two and cant find one single post of mine that i said how to rip music from a cdrom. :o so here goes I'll put it in this thread. 8) :)

[b]HOW TO RIP A CDROM IN MEDIAMONKEY[/b]

1. put cdrom in computer.

2. start mediamonkey up.

3. go to monkey's options panel by way of the tool bar menu, look for the option to have monkey make a new playlist for recently added songs and make sure it is turned on.

4. go to the monkey's music explorer tree/ directory tree. and look for his 'MY COMPUTER' node left click it.
[b]Remember this is the same my computer directory that is used by windows so it is your real computer files you see in it. Only reason it is in monkey is so monkey can see what folders and songs you click on when you use the folders on your computer. he can't see the one in the windows explorer so be careful using this.[/b]

5. now left click on the node for your cdrom drive you placed the disc in.

6. now left click on the little all link, or on the plus sign beside it and then on the folder if any.

7. you should see all the songs on your cdrom listed as track or as the song name if the cdrom has CD text wrote on it.

8. if no CD text is on the disc, then you will see them listed as track 1, to how ever many there are on the disc.
you might see up to 20 or more songs on a disc, if the disc is said to have that many on it's CD case label, fine. but if the case label says it has 8 and you see more then 8. you have a cdrom with extra data on it like a video or bonus songs that were not listed. check each track over the known amount by playing it in monkey. if it won't play in monkey then you will have to exit monkey. and explore the disc by using windows explorer, just like going in to the folder system, and look and see what the extra files on the disc are, could be a video or a text file or even a special video player for their hidden video., if you see any of them you will have to check the size of the files that look like music files most of them will most likely be fake files of only a few kb's in size but one is an audio file for the video so you can count that as a song. the others you can't rip.
so remember the number of the found audio file and add that to the list you are going to rip from the cdrom disc.

9. now you go back in to mediamonkey start with step 2 and do 4 and 5 and 6 again to get to see the songs list again and then do step 10.

10. after you get the song list back up if there is no text there you will have to add it. by typing it in from reading the cdrom. you could use auto tag from web but that might mess up if the disc had extra files on it. so i just type it in from reading the case label i know its right then.

11. after getting the titles and artist names all typed in the list. you now go to the menu bar and click on the rip button, or on the edit link and then on the rip link.

12. after clicking on the rip link or the button you will get a panel with your song info you just typed, in the list make sure the songs you want to rip are the only ones checked. no need to rip fake files or video files since that will crash monkey. now make sure you have the location of your folder you rip temp files in to. typed in the text area on top. you use the mask for that. if you have the monkeys option to use the user friendly masks, turned on in his main options panel then you can just type the mask as C:\my music\temp ripped songs\<artist>\<title>
and monkey will put them there using the tags for the artist and title, title will be the song file name.
if that wont show then you have to go turn on that option or use the %T code stuff.

13. after you get that pathway/ mask/ local url. set up in that text line, click the okay button.

14. monkey is now ripping the songs to the format you wanted him too, and placing them in that location you told him to use.

your done just wait until he is finished then you can go to that new playlist and check to see if all the information is in the list or if you have to add some more for each song.

enjoy. 8)

[quote="rovingcowboy"]but if monkey's options are set to use 89 pecent of volume for cd burning then he will only use 89 percent of what ever the cdrom has on it. so if the option is on. it will change it. which is what the rest of the thread is talking about. a turned on option. so saying it is not right. is in fact a wrong thing to do. sure turning the option off will get the same copy of the cdrom that is not what was being said here. they mentioned the option so we answered for the option as if it was turned on. :D[/quote]
RC, I don't know what you're talking about. There is no "89%", it is dB (decibels), not a percentage in the MM options.

[quote="Big_Berny"]Sorry, but what has been written here is not true! As me and nohitter said, you just have to NOT use any volume levelling feature and the CD wil be like the original one and not clipped! At least not more than the original CD was!

Setting the volume to 100 dB will increase the volume of most songs! Also with clipping-protection enabled the volume will be higher than the original one - it just will look that it doesn't increase it too much to prevent from clipping. But anyway the burned CD will not be a perfect copy from the original one!

So: If you want a bit-perfect copy - just don't use any volume levelling when burning your FLACs![/quote]

i did not see this reply big berny it must have not been given to me cause of a crash i got a lot back then.
but if monkey's options are set to use 89 pecent of volume for cd burning then he will only use 89 percent of what ever the cdrom has on it. so if the option is on. it will change it. which is what the rest of the thread is talking about. a turned on option. so saying it is not right. is in fact a wrong thing to do. sure turning the option off will get the same copy of the cdrom that is not what was being said here. they mentioned the option so we answered for the option as if it was turned on. :D

Sorry, but what has been written here is not true! As me and nohitter said, you just have to NOT use any volume levelling feature and the CD wil be like the original one and not clipped! At least not more than the original CD was!

Setting the volume to 100 dB will increase the volume of most songs! Also with clipping-protection enabled the volume will be higher than the original one - it just will look that it doesn't increase it too much to prevent from clipping. But anyway the burned CD will not be a perfect copy from the original one!

So: If you want a bit-perfect copy - just don't use any volume levelling when burning your FLACs!

Wow, this is all interesting, baffling information. Thank you.

Still I am a bit confused, if I rip a CD and copies at its natural playback level and then want to turn around and burn at copy, I am still not certain which db level to set it out without clipping, EVEN with "clipping prevention" checked.

See I backed up my entire CD collection in .wav and then downloaded torrents in .flac. One I convert the flac to wav the biggest issue is that when I rip a copy, for say the car, I want to ensure it will be a carbon copy of the original. This is why I thought 100% (now this is MM Gold we are talking about here) was 100 db, and the sound must surely be a 100% replica of the original and with clicking prevention "checked" there shouldn't be a problem, right?

I will also check out this Jet Audio program. I had it before but it wasn't as user friendly as MM.

Continued feedback encouraged :)

as nohitter151 has already said there is different volumes on different cdroms.

but setting the number to 100 will make it even to what the cdrom has on it.
wheather or not the volume of the cd is at 100 or 50 db's.
the setting of 100 should get you everything on the cdrom.
89 will cut it down to keep the clipping from occuring it might still happen but not as likely when at 89, i use 95 on all my settings but that is cause i go in to the songs and adjust the volume on the file in the wav editor. 8)

[quote="sanpedro72"]so you're saying 100 db = 100%?? :o[/quote]
No. There is no one dB level that matches all CD's. Each CD is set at its own level.

so you're saying 100 db = 100%?? :o

[b]100%[/b]

:)