Some metadata isn't shown + other problems/questions

[Cronos]

Hi guys. First off, I have a 2TB collection of flac files ripped with DBPoweramp, and most of them contain extra metadata such as "Style" using Allmusic's info, AccurateRip info, "Source" indicating where the flac file is from etc. I'd love to have the option to display them in Mediamonkey, especially "Style," because that's where the more specific genre information is for each album. I misunderstood what the custom fields were (thinking I could specify fields I wanted MM to pay attention to) and ended up creating a "Style" custom 1 field which is now the reason I'm going to have to re-upload my 2TB library back to the cloud, as it added a stupid "Custom 1: Style" field to the metadata of every track in my library (since removed, but the files are all changed nevertheless). Obviously that was the wrong way to go about this. So what's the right way?

Also- My file metadata has Tracks as 1/16, 2/16 etc, and Discs as 1/2 etc, but the second part never shows up in Mediamonkey. I want to see all that glorious metadata the way DBPoweramp encoded it.

Also- is there a way to set it so accidentally clicking the album art in the art viewer (when no details are present) doesn't bring up details and force me to right click -> uncheck "show file details"? This is annoying and happens way too often when I mean to double click the artwork. When details are shown double clicking brings up the track metadata so there's a sequence of wrongness there that I've gone down too many times.

Last- I'm slowly adding better album artwork to my flac files, as many of my rips were before I figured out the best ways to find high quality artwork. I'd love to use Mediamonkey to do this, but my current flac files have album artwork embedded and a folder.jpg file. Even if I set Mediamonkey to create a folder.jpg file along with embedding new artwork, it doesn't delete the old folder.jpg, it creates a folder_2.jpg, leaving me to go to the folder myself to clean out the old folder.jpg and rename Mediamonkey's folder_2.jpg. So basically, there's too much manual input needed from me right now. Is there a setting or something I'm missing here, or is this just a limitation of Mediamonkey?

Thanks to anyone that can help me with any of these...

Edit: also, when retagging a lot of files at once, do any of the options under general->performance put more CPU cores into the retagging effort? I imagine that's more constrained by HDD speed than anything, but doesn't hurt to ask.

[Cronos]

No one here has advice or solutions for any of these problems? Did I miss where these are addressed in a general FAQ?

Having the option to delete the old folder.jpg when adding new artwork and MediaMonkey reading ALL metadata including custom fields should be a standard thing, should it not? Should I take this thread to the wishlist forum?

[rovingcowboy]

I just don't know about what you did? Sounds like you want to use the custom fields but don't know exactly how? I use them in conjunction with the advanced auto play lists of the gold version of mm. I have added a code of my own personal thunkin' up. Just a few characters of any combination into a custom field of every song. Different codes for each genre and even others for different events. Then tell the mm in the auto Playlist to either play or not play the code wanted for that playlist. In this way mm changes and picks the songs according to the playlist genre or event. I then use a system scheduler to play scripts made by peke to change the Playlists this results in a fully automated jukebox.
You can also change code in the skins player ini file to make the custom fields of your choice show on every song. Or find a skin that already shows all the custom fields.

[Cronos]

I just don't know about what you did? Sounds like you want to use the custom fields but don't know exactly how? I use them in conjunction with the advanced auto play lists of the gold version of mm. I have added a code of my own personal thunkin' up. Just a few characters of any combination into a custom field of every song. Different codes for each genre and even others for different events. Then tell the mm in the auto Playlist to either play or not play the code wanted for that playlist. In this way mm changes and picks the songs according to the playlist genre or event. I then use a system scheduler to play scripts made by peke to change the Playlists this results in a fully automated jukebox.
You can also change code in the skins player ini file to make the custom fields of your choice show on every song. Or find a skin that already shows all the custom fields.

Basically I want to see my Style and other metadata within MM. Here's an example of the metadata inside a typical FLAC track in my library: http://i.imgur.com/90dD67V.jpg. I had to open 2 tracks in the properties window just cause I can't show it all at once, but every track has that much info inside. There's even the UPC of the CD! I want to see it, I want to search it, I want it as a column option in the library view. The Genre category of a ton of my library is "Pop/Rock" or "Rock," that doesn't say much. The specifics are tied up in the Style metadata. I'm not exactly seeing how another skin would give me any more options, and I wouldn't know where to start when it comes to editing an ini. Is there a thread I should see for this? Ignore the bit in my first post about custom fields, that was just a little story there. I'm not looking to add data to tracks, I want to see the metadata already in them.

What I find most confusing about this is dBpoweramp is a known ripping tool for people who care about such things, and will automatically put all this metadata into the tracks it rips, and yet somehow I'm the first person to want to see this metadata within a music player? I have trouble believing that.

In the meantime I at least found the workaround for one of my issues. If I go to properties for the files I want to delete artwork of, go to artwork, delete all the artwork, press OK, then open it again and add the new artwork I will have successfully deleted the old folder.jpg and put a new one in.

[Peke]

Do you see any classifications in MMW track properties imported from DBpowerAMP?

[Cronos]

Do you see any classifications in MMW track properties imported from DBpowerAMP?

I'm sorry, I'm not sure I understand the question. In properties for the track I put in the picture, if I go to the Details tab it shows "(FLAC 1.3.0)" under Encoder (which is a value in my metadata), and has values for start/stop time, play counter and skip counter (standard stuff). If I go to Classification there are no values there besides that it's part of a playlist called "Accessible Tracks". Just to be clear, I didn't add the metadata after the fact, the files were generated with all of it.

Edit: here's another picture just in case this helps. Mp3tag sees the metadata too. http://i.imgur.com/J0geQdq.jpg It is nonstandard I guess. But it's there, and it'd be great if it was shown... I'm starting to get the feeling I'm asking for something that just isn't coded into MediaMonkey currently.

[Peke]

That second picture show where is the issue eg. STYLE TAG is non standard and thus it is not included in MMW reading, From what I read here looks like DBPowerAmp uses multiple tag writings for Multivalue fields instead of Separator. FLAC metadata was/is flexible and over the years many apps (MMW included) handled things its own way. Some ar e adopted by others some not but there is no clear standard like in case of ID3x?.? Standards.

[oldtimer]

You seem to feel most everyone on this forum is some kind of guru who has nothing better to do with their life is to figure out how to solve rare obscure problems. Most members are way less expert than you. You can tell a great deal from your choice of tools and what I think you are trying to do. You are probably in the top 10% for technical expertise. Don't be upset if no one can help you. I might not have been on this board for 5 years but consider myself in the top 2% technical users and rovingcowboy to be in the 1%. From your vague explanation of what you would like I don't have a clue to what you wanted. Most of it is because you only have a vague picture of what you want. I understand that. You are not technical enough to see all the 'building blocks' for what they are. My fist guess is No you can't do what you want! Have you checked the table structure to see if your metadata will even fit into where you want it to go? The next step would be to put the data where you want it if it will fit. That would be your job. Someone, probably you, will need to write a VB routine to locate, load into RAM then parse the data into pieces that will both fit into the database then put them in a way that will be organized so they can be retrieved in the way you will want them. I still use MM4 so I don't know if you can modify the mm tables or add new tables to do what to want to do. You can look for advice in the coder forum, after 5 yrs I forget what it is called. If you wanted something main stream there might already be a routine or some one might try to code something for you because many more might want to use it. What you want is probably unique to you so no one will do all that work for you. To make what you want would cost a mind boggling amount. 100+ hrs @ $100+/hr

For instance, I don't like to see any display or any other garbage when I listen to music. We are all very different.

[rovingcowboy]

Been reading these post comments over and over again.
But the only way that I also can see you getting all the data in the songs mm property sheet is as said by old timer you write a new vbs script that adds a tab to the property sheet panel for the data you want shown.
This will involve you telling monkey how to find the data and where to list it in the new tab. This will be better in user script form because as we all agree not many will use it. But you're hard work with the script will be used by others like you that want to see it.
Reasons why there are so many user scripts is to satisfy all members and keep mm from becoming bloatware.

I'm sure that there are others waiting for you to make this script or get one of the other script authors to make it.

OLDTIMER
1% am I? Well I'm greatful for the ego boost but if true then it's the bottom of the 1% for me.
You I've thought were in the top of the 1% not the 2% .

[Cronos]

That second picture show where is the issue eg. STYLE TAG is non standard and thus it is not included in MMW reading, From what I read here looks like DBPowerAmp uses multiple tag writings for Multivalue fields instead of Separator. FLAC metadata was/is flexible and over the years many apps (MMW included) handled things its own way. Some ar e adopted by others some not but there is no clear standard like in case of ID3x?.? Standards.

I mean, I can convert it to MP3 and still have these custom tags. But I get now that this capability isn't standard. In my mind, how I thought a music library organizing program would work when importing tracks is, it would import all the metadata and create categories on the fly. I understand now that it's putting metadata into preset categories (and MM has many of them, just not mine) and throwing away anything else. Sounds like I'll have to do some research on this problem.

You seem to feel most everyone on this forum is some kind of guru who has nothing better to do with their life is to figure out how to solve rare obscure problems. Most members are way less expert than you. You can tell a great deal from your choice of tools and what I think you are trying to do. You are probably in the top 10% for technical expertise. Don't be upset if no one can help you. I might not have been on this board for 5 years but consider myself in the top 2% technical users and rovingcowboy to be in the 1%. From your vague explanation of what you would like I don't have a clue to what you wanted. Most of it is because you only have a vague picture of what you want. I understand that. You are not technical enough to see all the 'building blocks' for what they are. My fist guess is No you can't do what you want! Have you checked the table structure to see if your metadata will even fit into where you want it to go? The next step would be to put the data where you want it if it will fit. That would be your job. Someone, probably you, will need to write a VB routine to locate, load into RAM then parse the data into pieces that will both fit into the database then put them in a way that will be organized so they can be retrieved in the way you will want them. I still use MM4 so I don't know if you can modify the mm tables or add new tables to do what to want to do. You can look for advice in the coder forum, after 5 yrs I forget what it is called. If you wanted something main stream there might already be a routine or some one might try to code something for you because many more might want to use it. What you want is probably unique to you so no one will do all that work for you. To make what you want would cost a mind boggling amount. 100+ hrs @ $100+/hr

For instance, I don't like to see any display or any other garbage when I listen to music. We are all very different.

Like I've said, it's simply that all the important genre information is tied up in the custom metadata. This is a newly ripped collection of more than 5000 CDs, and that genre info is important for organization purposes, since I no longer can look at CDs grouped by genre on shelves. I was a little irritated by the non-response, but pleasantly surprised when rovingcowboy responded, even if I don't like the answers I'm getting now. I came into the forum expecting a support forum like certain others where the devs personally respond and bug-fix etc., that's my mistake. My impression was that MM is for more advanced users.

Been reading these post comments over and over again.
But the only way that I also can see you getting all the data in the songs mm property sheet is as said by old timer you write a new vbs script that adds a tab to the property sheet panel for the data you want shown.
This will involve you telling monkey how to find the data and where to list it in the new tab. This will be better in user script form because as we all agree not many will use it. But you're hard work with the script will be used by others like you that want to see it.
Reasons why there are so many user scripts is to satisfy all members and keep mm from becoming bloatware.

I'm sure that there are others waiting for you to make this script or get one of the other script authors to make it.

OLDTIMER
1% am I? Well I'm greatful for the ego boost but if true then it's the bottom of the 1% for me.
You I've thought were in the top of the 1% not the 2% .

I'm a lot of things, but script writer is not one of them. I'll look into lateral solutions to this problem, thanks everyone for your responses.