order of Album Art when multiple images

[fourteen]

I am using MM 3.0.6.1190, most of my files are WMA Lossless and I put the album art in the tags.

For some albums, I am having trouble with the order of the album art when using multiple images (Cover (front), Cover (back) etc.). I am trying to get the Cover (front) to be the "first" image so it is displayed as the thumbnail in Now Playing, but for some albums that seems impossible - the Cover (back) ends up "first" and is displayed.

I have tried removing both images and repasting them in different sequence (pasting Cover (front) first, then Cover (back); pasting Cover (back) first, the Cover (front)), but for some/many albums it doesn't matter - the Cover (back) ends up "first" anyway. I have also tried the green up/down arrow buttons in Properties/Album Art but the changed ordering doesn't stick.

I searched the forums but couldn't see this discussed, if it has been and you can point me to the thread, that would be great.

Or, if there is a trick, perhaps a sequende of actions in MM, to consistently get Cover (front) "first", I would appreciate any tips.

[Lowlander]

Are you tagging in the My Computer node or the Library node and which version of MediaMonkey are you using?

[fourteen]

I am using MediaMonkey 3.0.6.1190 and most of my files are WMA Lossless.

I am tagging from the Library node (and I think always in Artis & Album Artist).

In some instances, with some files/albums I do succeed in re-ordering the album art so the Cover (front) ends up first, but often it fails. In some instances MM failed to re-order the images (using green up/down arrows) but if I removed/deleted the Cover (back) and then pasted it back in, the Cover (back) did end up at bottom. But often this fails too - after removing/deleting Cover (back) then of course Cover (front) is at the top since it is the only image, but pasting a new image in as Cover (back) causes that pasted Cover (back) to go up top again.

I have one particular album where it seems impossible to have both front and back and having the front as the "first". Well, I have several abums but have been trying all sort of things on this one particular album.

I don't know if the fact that the file(s) is a WMA Lossless has anything to do with it, or not. I have a few mp3 files as well but am not sure if I have seen this problem with those.

[nohitter151]

If the issue is only with WMA files then this may be your issue: http://www.mediamonkey.com/support/inde ... ticleid=92

[fourteen]

Well, the problem doesn't manifest itself with ALL WMA Lossless files, but with some/many and it is very frustrating. With some files "it works" and the re-ordering with the green up/down arrows "stick".

I looked at that link, and the WMA Lossless files are not DRM protected, they are ripped from a CD using EAC. All other tag editing and updating of tags work ok. And the files play ok too. I guess it is a possibility that the Windows Media components/drivers on my system (which is Vista) are corrupt but I have no other apparent problems with operating on the WMA Lossless files.

It just did another test:
1- used EAC to rip one track to a WMA Lossless file into S:\test
2- started with an empty MM library
3- told MM to re-scan S:\test, and it finds that one track (with no album art at this point)
4- in Windows Explorer, right click+Copy the front.jpg
5- in MM, with the track sleected, right-click+Paste in the Album Art pane; selected Image Type: Cover (front)
6- in Windows Explorer, right click+Copy the back.jpg
7- in MM, with the track sleected, right-click+Paste in the Album Art pane; selected Image Type: Cover (back)
=> Cover (back) ends up as the "first"/"top" image

9- in MM, right click track+Properties, Album Art pane - use green arrow to move the Cover (front) up top, click OK
=> Cover (front) is displayed in the Album Art pane but clicking anywhere else in the library and then again selecting the track, the Cover (back) is yet again displayed and is the "first"/"top" image. Right clicking the Album Art pane and slecting Edit Album Art properties verifies that Cover (back) is yet again at the top...

I don't know if it is possible that it is an issue with some WMA Lossless files, and how the bits and byts are stored internally. Could I possibly upload the WMA Lossless file (and the front.jpg and back.jpg) and make it available for you to test?

[fourteen]

Additional testing shows additional weirdness...

Just operating with the MM library of that one WMA Lossless file.
If I start without any album art in the WMA Lossless file and copy/paste ANOTHER set of unrelated front/back jpg images, then it "partially works" - with that other set of jpg images the Cover (front) ends up at top. Re-ordering using the green up/down arrows still don't stick.

Yet another test, on a different WMA Lossless file, the first set of jpg images "works" - Cover (front) ends up first. And re-ordering the images "stick".

I don't know - it somehow seems to indicate the problem is dependent on the WMA Lossless and jpg files and/or a combination of them??

I have uploaded the WMA Lossless file and images to a site so if you are interested in checking out the weird behavior, let me know and I'll send you the urls.

[fourteen]

Would anyone be interested and/or willing to download the WMA Lossless file and images to see if they experience the same behavior I am?
Please, let me know and I'll let you know where the file and images are located.

[nohitter151]

Sure, send me a PM (or just post the links).

[fourteen]

Thanks!
PM sent.

[nohitter151]

Ok, tried it out and I've got the same results as you. I tried both sets of images and my results were the same as yours, the first set of images were in the wrong order but the second set was always in the right order. To me, it seems like the smaller (in terms of file size) image is always listed first, and the larger is second.

I guess you should send a note to MM support about it.

[fourteen]

Thanks for trying it. And confirming that it is (probably) not an issue with just my system/installation...

I think I thought about jpg sizes playing a role and think I tried that before, and it didn't make a difference. Just for kicks, I just made a new set of the first two problematic images - they are available on the same site I pointed you to but the names are front2.jpg and back2.jpg. front2.jpg is bigger than back2.jpg but front2.jpg does end up first... so I think that confirms that size is not (necessarily) the issue. If you download and try it with front2.jpg/back2.jpg (same wma file you already have), please let me know the behavior on your end.

I don't know if the problem is with MM or what component MM uses to modify art in a WMA Lossless file. It definitely seems to be a bug. If I just knew a workaround... I have tried soo many different ways, the order I add the images, green up/down arrows, adding extra images, then deleting them etc. ... but haven't found a workaround.

[fourteen]

I guess you should send a note to MM support about it.

I made a post on "Bug Reports" http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=7 but there has been no response - maybe they are busy but maybe it's the wrong place to report it? Do you think they will eventually see it and/or respond there or should I report it by clicking "Submit a ticket" at http://www.mediamonkey.com/support/index.php ?

[nohitter151]

I meant to contact the devs by submitting a ticket.

[fourteen]

Thanks. And I just submitted a ticket.