UPnP playback: changes in NP list are mis-handled

[Barry4679]

"If you go with this approach" -- is that supposed to mean there's an option? It appears, in 385, that if you have scrobbling on at all, then you have scrobbling on for UPnP. Is that right? I'm fine with that, just asking to be sure.[/quote]

I am on 385. It now scrobbles when playing from a UPnP source. eg. I am playing from a non-MM UPnP server, I am seeing scrobbles being collected by Android's Simple Last.fm scrobbler.

Most pleased about this, because up to this point I haven't been able to use MMA to play music.

[rusty]

"If you go with this approach" -- is that supposed to mean there's an option? It appears, in 385, that if you have scrobbling on at all, then you have scrobbling on for UPnP. Is that right?

Yes--what I meant is that if you use a scrobbler on your Android device, then you probably want to disable the option to 'Update play counter for items played over UPnP/DLNA' on the MMW server. [EDIT: this previously erroneously indicated 'MMA Server'].

That's terrible and should be reversed immediately, if true.

Please elaborate--I'm not sure why this is such a major issue. It seems to me that this is preferable to using the much-less-accurate server-based approach. Thanks!

-Rusty

[Lowlander]

Yes--what I meant is that if you use a scrobbler on your Android device, then you probably want to disable the option to 'Update play counter for items played over UPnP/DLNA' on the MMA server.

That's terrible as that is a global thing for all clients. So either you disable scrobbling on device loosing local plays being scrobbled or disable play count on server loosing both play count tracking for all clients and scrobbling for all non scrobbling clients (most of them).

[Barry4679]

Yes--what I meant is that if you use a scrobbler on your Android device, then you probably want to disable the option to 'Update play counter for items played over UPnP/DLNA' on the MMA server.

What do you mean by "MMA Server"?

Do you mean MMW?

I can't see an option called 'Update play counter for items played over UPnP/DLNA' in either MMW or MMA/

That's terrible as that is a global thing for all clients. So either you disable scrobbling on device loosing local plays being scrobbled or disable play count on server loosing both play count tracking for all clients and scrobbling for all non scrobbling clients (most of them).

I think that I understand what you are saying.

Hopefully any fix being considered wouldn't be at the cost of losing the new found ability in MMA where it is now able to scrobble UPnP plays on its own account.

My use case for MMA with UPnP is:
* headphones at night in bed when my PC, and therefore MMW, is turned off
* the UPnP server in my NAS does not scrobble

Up to this point I have been unable to use MMA for this purpose, as it didn't scrobble plays from UPnP sources.

[mcow]

I can't see an option called 'Update play counter for items played over UPnP/DLNA' in either MMW or MMA/

MMW. Options|Library|Media Sharing. Select server, Configure. Tab "UPnP/DLNA", first checkbox: [] Update play counter...

It's not stated there that updating the play counter also scrobbles, but the two operations are tied together at the server level.

It's not possible to update stats on the server for each track served and not scrobble on the server.

[rusty]

Re. 'MMA Server' sorry about that--I did mean 'MMW Server'. mcow,thanks for clarifying.

-Rusty

[Barry4679]

I can't see an option called 'Update play counter for items played over UPnP/DLNA' in either MMW or MMA/

MMW. Options|Library|Media Sharing. Select server, Configure. Tab "UPnP/DLNA", first checkbox: [] Update play counter...

It's not stated there that updating the play counter also scrobbles, but the two operations are tied together at the server level.

It's not possible to update stats on the server for each track served and not scrobble on the server.

Thanks Mike.

There are various areas within MM configuration that are neither intuitive nor elegant, and that is an example IMO. It is buried fairly deep isn't it? , and as you say it makes no reference to Last.fm in neither its description nor its hover tool tip.

I have a LFM button (has the same icon as shown on your forum signature) on the LFM tool bar: "Enable, disable, or cache only Last.fm submissions"
The button is enabled bu Options|Library|last.fmService

I thought that this was the only actor with regard to scrobbling.

I guess that everybody uses MM differently.

I never use MMW to play music (I have a Sonos)
Also I have an external application which maintains the Date Last Played and play counts within the MM db.
All I want is that MMA optionally scrobbles plays via SimpleLFM etc, and that this extends to UPnP plays.
The latest version of MMA delivered this, so I am happy now.