What setting causes tracks to redownload just because they've been played? [#21290]

by **tbm72** » Wed Mar 12, 2025 6:48 am

I definitely don't change anything (star ratings etc or edit any tags). I'm literally just playing some tracks on my phone in the car then at the next sync all those played tracks get downloaded again.

I'll try and get some logs when I can although I've had problems using the debug version before so I usually stay away from it. Also pretty busy at the moment but I'll try and do it when I get a minute.

by **martin.bohac** » Wed Mar 12, 2025 6:13 am

If this option is enabled it would only sync metadata to the server.
The redownloading is caused by combining "Force files to resync whenever the source file has changed" in MMW/Device's sync profile/Tagging.
However, if only the play count is updated, it should not be re-downloaded. I tested it with MMA 2.0.4.1231 and was unable to replicate the issue.
So there must be some additional tags, like a rating, to be synced, which modify the file.
The debug log would be useful.

by **Peke** » Tue Mar 11, 2025 4:45 pm

tbm72 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 9:03 am This issue appears to have resurfaced. I notice that if I play a track on my phone, during the next sync it downloads it again, even though the actual file hasn't changed or been updated. Is it a regression?

I am unable to replicate on my devices, can you send MMA debug log after sync and paste LOG ID here?

by **tbm72** » Tue Mar 11, 2025 2:45 pm

It looks like it *is* that settiing that I originally posted above in my screenshot that causes tracks to redownload after playing. If this box is ticked then it redownloads any tracks that have simply been played on my device (and not edited in any way). But if I untick it and then play some tracks, these don't redownload on the next sync.

From the wording I would have thought that it should just sync the metadata (ratings and play history) and shouldn't force a redownload just from playing a track.

Sometimes I might want to change the star rating of a track on my phone and I guess I could understand how that might cause a redownload (unless it's possible to change rating without downloading the whole track). But on occasions when a track is just played I don't see that it should need to download the whole track in order to update the play count.

by **tbm72** » Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:56 am

martin.bohac wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:15 am You're right, if you are only playing, the file is not changed and should not be re-downloaded.
Do you know whether the track is autoconverted during sync?
If you can replicate it, please send a log for analysis.

No, I've got all conversion options unticked in the device profile so it isn't that. It does it for every single track that gets played on my phone. I'll try and get a log when I have a spare minute.

by **martin.bohac** » Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:15 am

You're right, if you are only playing, the file is not changed and should not be re-downloaded.
Do you know whether the track is autoconverted during sync?
If you can replicate it, please send a log for analysis.

by **tbm72** » Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:58 am

martin.bohac wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:33 am Are you sure that the play count was not written to the file?
The current solution may still have unnecessary downloads of tracks in rare cases even if the file has not been modified.
This issue should be completely fixed with MM5 2024.0.0.3029 and MMA 2.0.5.1240(coming soon)

Thanks Martin. My settings are the same as they've always been but I don't know if the play count is written to the file. I thought all media players handled play counts in their own database and not in the file itself (at least that's what all the Googling I did told me).

But it doesn't seem very logical to re-download files when syncing just because they've been played on my phone. The files haven't actually been edited or altered so it seems a bit pointless to re-download them just because they've been played.

I've tested it now - just played a track on my phone in front of me. When it finished I did a sync and sure enough that track was downloaded again.

by **martin.bohac** » Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:33 am

Are you sure that the play count was not written to the file?
The current solution may still have unnecessary downloads of tracks in rare cases even if the file has not been modified.
This issue should be completely fixed with MM5 2024.0.0.3029 and MMA 2.0.5.1240(coming soon)

by **tbm72** » Mon Mar 10, 2025 9:03 am

This issue appears to have resurfaced. I notice that if I play a track on my phone, during the next sync it downloads it again, even though the actual file hasn't changed or been updated. Is it a regression?

by **martin.bohac** » Tue Oct 22, 2024 11:38 am

Hi,
the issue is tracked as https://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=21290
it's planned to be fixed in the next build.
Thanks.

by **tbm72** » Mon Oct 21, 2024 6:29 pm

Lowlander wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 6:23 pm Which Build (Help > About) of MediaMonkey for Windows are you Syncing with?

Latest: 3064

by **Lowlander** » Mon Oct 21, 2024 6:23 pm

Which Build (Help > About) of MediaMonkey for Windows are you Syncing with?

by **tbm72** » Mon Oct 21, 2024 6:03 pm

Lowlander wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 5:14 pm
tbm72 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 5:10 pmThe source file hasn't actually changed.
Are you sure? Check the Date Modified in Windows if that's really true.

I also checked the date modified in Windows just to be sure and it was at least a couple of years ago for most of them.

by **tbm72** » Mon Oct 21, 2024 6:01 pm

100%. I tested it by randomly playing a handful of tracks on my PC that I know have never been edited and when I did a sync those same tracks got re-downloaded onto my phone even though all I did was play them on my PC.

When I unchecked that option and tested again by playing some more tracks it didn't re-download them on my phone.

by **Lowlander** » Mon Oct 21, 2024 5:14 pm

tbm72 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 5:10 pmThe source file hasn't actually changed.

Are you sure? Check the Date Modified in Windows if that's really true.

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