powerpill-pacman wrote:I know this a bug-not-an-it'sworking-thread, but it's working without problems so far. Thank you.

I have not had any problems in RC-3 either!

/crosses fingers and thinks happy thoughts!

I know this a bug-not-an-it'sworking-thread, but it's working without problems so far. Thank you.

Roving Cowboy,

The bug could have been triggered in various ways on different systems. That's why it was so tricky to track down.

Although it was painful, it's resulted in a variety of other fixes that will only help to improve MM's robustness.

-Rusty

I am sorry mike h. if it sounded like i was yellin. in the last post.

i was tired when i came by the forum then.

not agentsmart i am just lucky i guess.


to all and to rusty and jiri.

the options not being saved because of the album art error. has been fix'ed in the new release version of

http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8679

how ever if it was caused by anything else other then album art the others will let you know on that.

i would too if i find it?

man for not being a programmer you sure do figure things out fast?
are you sure you are not a programmer cowboy?
maybe one that don't know it like the poet's?

mike H.

if your going to quote me then quote everything. as you have taken my comments and cut them to sute your trouble report.

my comments you cut are telling what happened and how i fixed it on my commputer. but the way you cut them does not show that..

i am sure the reinstall will fix it also like it did. but there is still something messing with the album art area that should not be messing with it.

but the way i did it with my album art default image changing worked also.

but i have overinstalled it on the win98 and winMe and did not get this error, i only got it on the winXp when i over installed it here.

the debug reports wont work for you jiri because monkey is already closed when the error happens it is something dealing with the album art and the closing of winXp something in the way the two interact when rebooting is making it reset the ini files, my guess is that monkey is looking for album art on start up and does not find it because the links were removed from the registry, and so it thinks that the present time of starting is the first time it was started.

and when the album art was used you then get monkey to keep the options.

but when you reboot the computer the xp clears out the registry hotkeys for the album art again and your back to square one.

but in using the cutom default no album art image. the image is always looked for by monkey on start up and the url to it is always put in the registry. and that takes place before monkey starts up the windows shell.

that does explain why takeing the custom no album art image out of the folder will make the error occure again.
and putting it back in to the folder will fix the error agian.

so that is what i am thinking that it is messing up the hotkey in the registry somehow.

the two png formats both did work as the default image but the png plus format was huge and caused the error to happen when it was seen so going for the use of the normal png format is what i think should be done.

i did not get this error until this rc2 version so it is from what every you changed in this latest round of beta versions that deals with album art and hotkeys that is the cause of it.

but like i said an media monkey debug report is not going to show you anything because the error takes place when monkey is not loaded.

roving cowboy / keith hall.

just leaning over the fence to post this again.

I've fixed my installation:

I did a clean install and removed everything except the mdb database from My Documents\Media Monkey.

The problem seems to have gone away. Should have done that clean install between RC1 and RC2 I guess...

Mike.

_Anyone_ who can reproduce this please e-mail me a debug log (I already saw some, but it didn't help). Also let me know, do you have a clean install? Or do you use some non-standard plug-ins or scripts?

Thanks,
Jiri

roving cowboy / keith hall wrote:
2. <snip> all the options were there. as normal.

3. i rebooted the computer.

4. i started media monkey, all the options were GONE, it was telling me it was the first time i ran the program.

I get this behaviour on WXP, SP2 as well, it seems to be that mediamonkey.exe is not actually exiting when you click exit - I can still see it in the task manager processes view. When you try to run the app, it appears to open up this running copy again (no splash screen), so the settings are still there.

When you reboot, or explicitly kill MM, the settings are not saved and you have whatever settings you had when you last started - in my case the settings from the RC1 install.

Mike

i have been sucessful in controling the ini files in this trouble of them going back to default.

i have made them stay set in the custom opitions and i have made them go back to the default at my will.

i have done this two different ways both dealing with album art.

i have sent email to rusty explaining how and gave him a new file.

here is the way i have done it.

as i have stated abve in the other message it involves making a new default image to be seen when there is no album art.

make that image and save it as a normal png format image, and put that image in to your folder for icons inside monkeys main program folder.

start monkey and set your options you will see the new image for no album art and now you can close monkey and reopen monkey the options will stay. just like you sat them.

now close monkey, go in to the icons folder and take that image out of the icons folder so it can not be seen by monkey. start monkey and the options should be back at default. if not then close monkey and start him again and they will be back at default.

now the other way i did it is to make a new image for use as the no album art image, i made it and saved it in microsoft's picture it. program which has its own png plus formt which it uses as its default image formt to save in.
i saved it in that image format as a png file but it was a plus file. i thought it should work right? i went on ahead and put it in the monkeys icon folder and named it properly to get it to be used when monkey started.

then i started monkey. all the options were back at the default options but they were not when i had closed monkey the last time.?

so reset them to what i wanted. closed monkey, went back in to the monkeys icon folder and opened that new image in the picutre program and resaved it as the normal png format. closed picture it. and restarted monkey.

all my options were back to normal. just like what i wanted them to be.

now why this different png plus and png format stuff controls the ini options is beyond my understanding but it does.

I found out that a script error (or maybe the activation of an error handling in the script) in a startup script can cause MediaMonkey to start with the defaults (MediaMonkey.ini overwritten). This is constantly reproducible for me (using RC-2) with one script, but maybe it's the same for all scripts.

Cheers
Steegy

I have a small update, too. When saving my playlist under whatever name, it gets reloaded as if nothing happened when i open MM again.
When i add another track, exit and restart MM there is an old playlist again.

an update on this trouble of not keeping the options.

i just now found out that it has something to do with the album art and what ever is being cleared from that on closing of winXp.

here is what gives me that idea.

1. i just changed the default png for the album view when there is no album art.

2. i closed monkey and reopened monkey to make the change in album png show up.

3. i had all the options set so it was like i wanted.
but i thought to take a chance and see if it was going to be kept when i rebooted the computer.

4. so i rebooted the computer started monkey and the options were all the same as when i closed monkey before i rebooted,

so that makes something in the album art area the cause of it when the computer reboots it looses the options if the default image for album art is used. but changing the default image to the custom image kept my options on win xp.

not sure what causes that you will have to figure it out?

roving cowboy / keith hall.

just posting this message by hanging over the fence rail again.

i am both happy and sad to report that the not keeping the options error so far has NOT showed up on win98 or winMe.

it is only showing up on my winxp.

1. i installed the rc 2 version. on the winXp

2 started the monky up by the launch option in the install panels.
set all the options i wanted. closed monkey and restarted monkey.

all the options were there. as normal.

3. i rebooted the computer.

4. i started media monkey, all the options were GONE, it was telling me it was the first time i ran the program.

5. i reinstalled/ overwrote, the RC 2 version. again started it up set the options and closed monkey then restarted monkey, all was fine the options were there.

6. i restarted the computer again.

7. i restarted monkey and all the options were GONE again.



something that happens on winXp when restarting is killing the monkeys ini files.


roving cowboy / keith hall.

just stopped back to post this did not log in.

i am getting this on my winxp with sp2. i do not know if the win98 is getting it i only presume it and the winme is also. but i will check them and let you know.

as for this winxp no google desktop on it.
no tool bars of any kind except the ones in windows's os.