sorting by "The"

markerjk · Post by **markerjk** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:03 pm

I thought of another idea: sort artists by the first non-THE word. e.g., the killers go under K, not T. that would be spiffy.

GSV3MiaC · Post by **GSV3MiaC** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:14 pm

That's what MS WMP10 (spit) has done for ages .. one of the few things they got right.

Another neat idea would be to treat 'and' and '&' as the same, dontcha just hate it when 'Simon and Garfunkel' are a whole separate group from 'Simon & Garfunkel'.

a_cad_1 · Post by **a_cad_1** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:53 pm

If you look in the scripts there is one that works great. It convert the tags that start with the like in "the eagles" to "eagles, the"

Post by **jiri** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:30 pm

The 'the' sorting issue will be fixed in MM 2.5. 'The ' prefix will be ignored for sorting purpose.

Jiri

rk · Post by rk » Mon Jul 25, 2005 8:30 am

How do you handle the indefinite articles "a" and "an"? How ist the artist "A flock of seagulls" sorted? And what about articles of other languages?

Let me suggest this: Make a customizable list of prefixes that are ignored for sorting reasons. Standard delivery of that lists just contains "the", "a" and "an".

Other prefixes can be added by users. And users who want to find "The Police" under "T" can remove "the" from that list again

And mabe the irgnored prefix could be put into paranthesis in the tree so that you don't get confused and immediately see what the part is that is sorted by.

Post by **jiri** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 9:26 am

I think that 'the' is the most important in this case. 'a' and 'an' could be added too, but only in case they are made customizable in order to prevent problems in other languages. We'll see...

Jiri

wricken · Post by **wricken** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 7:57 am

For people with different languages (like me: german) it is really desired to have the possibility to add other prefixes like 'Das ' and so on. Look on the iPod to see how it works

Post by **Lowlander** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 8:38 pm

Maybe just add a feature where users can create a list of prefixes they want ignored in the artist node. Even the could have a different meaning in an other language.
An added option to show artist in both with and without prefix locations in the artist node would be nice.
An option to show prefix with , after the artist name would be nice.

Al_G · Post by **Al_G** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 8:51 pm

Lowlander wrote:Maybe just add a feature where users can create a list of prefixes they want ignored in the artist node. Even the could have a different meaning in an other language.
An added option to show artist in both with and without prefix locations in the artist node would be nice.
An option to show prefix with , after the artist name would be nice.

Just using a list of prefixes seems too rigid. For example, I have the entry "The Jeff Healey Band". If MM ignores "The", it will use "Jeff", when I really want to see it under "H" for Healey.

Since MM is a database application, how about a new field called "sort name". By default it would equal 'Artist', but it could be changed to anything the user wants.

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Alan

rk · Post by rk » Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:48 am

Al_G wrote:Since MM is a database application, how about a new field called "sort name". By default it would equal 'Artist', but it could be changed to anything the user wants.

That's also a pretty smart alternative!

Adamo · Post by **Adamo** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:27 am

Al_G wrote:Since MM is a database application, how about a new field called "sort name". By default it would equal 'Artist', but it could be changed to anything the user wants.

I agree. Though it requires more effort from the user, it's the most customizable solution.

judas · Post by **judas** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:40 pm

I agree with the sort name field...the default should be the same as artist, i agree, but there could also be an option where you select the obvious prefixes you dont want...

so:

ARTIST=SMASHING PUMPKINS
SORT NAME=SMASHING PUMPKINS

and

ARTIST=THE CURE
SORT NAME=CURE

as has been mentioned above, the 'default' behaviour could be obtained from the customizable list and if you want to change that as for 'the jeff healey band' you could manually edit the sort name field.

BTW...i really think is very important to use the list...in spanish THE could be either EL, LA, LOS, LAS depending if its femenine/masculine or singular/plural...and i believe this is the case in the rest of latin-languages.

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onkel_enno · Post by **onkel_enno** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:19 am

wricken wrote:For people with different languages (like me: german) it is really desired to have the possibility to add other prefixes like 'Das ' and so on.

@Jiri
Is there anything planed for customizing the prefixes? A simple enumeration in the Options-Menu would be great.

Post by **jiri** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:33 am

It's already in MM 2.5, go to Options|Appearance.

Jiri

onkel_enno · Post by **onkel_enno** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 6:58 am

@Jiri
Really?

I already know and my question was about the enumeration of Prefixes that will be ignored, not only one.