Hi Media Monkey Friends,

Sorry for the delay, running around for the holidays.

Thanks for the suggestion, Christian - my settings were already set to Exo. I tried switching it to Native since I was in there anyway, but that didn't improve anything. Set it back to Exo.

I selected two neighboring tracks from 8 randomly selected albums that I expect to have gapless transitions. Out of the 8, only one album consistently plays without a hitch between songs which suggests ... what? ... that MMA -is- capable of playing back 100% gapless, that the issue is with the files themselves? My first thought was that the successful tracks were m4a, the ones that hiccup were mp3, but I have an album of m4a that have an instant of silence between songs, which kills that theory.

I measured the duration of silence at the ends/starts of the neighboring test tracks and none of them stand out as “super long silence that MMA gapless cannot deal with” (I don't know how MMA approaches gapless playback..)

Album 1 (mp3)
song 1 end
.030 seconds
song 2 start
.023

Album 2 (mp3)
song 1 end
.024
song 2 start
.023

Album 3 (mp3)
song 1 end
.028
song 2 start
.025

Album 4 (mp3)
song 1 end
.017
song 2 start
.025

Album 5 (mp3)
song 1 end
.051
song 2 start
.024

Album 6 (m4a)
**** this is the only album from this group that goes from song 1 to song 2 without a hitch ****
song 1 end
.020
song 2 start
.024

Album 7 (mp3)
song 1 end
.031
song 2 start
.025

Album 8 (m4a)
song 1 end
.062
song 2 start
0.00

Chep

Hi Chep, Hi Peke!

I hope you don't mind me jumping in here for a moment.

[quote=Chep post_id=531042 time=1766783317 user_id=119833]
Found this thread after playing a live album and experiencing gaps in between the end of one track and the start of the next. As a test, played back older audio files with audio experiences that are meant to be seamless and found these to also exhibit gaps. Audio playback is set to Gapless. Cross Fade is off. Setting to None makes the silence longer, worse.
[/quote]

Chep, you could also check in MMA under the 'gear icon' - Options - Playback whether 'Exo' is selected as the playback engine (last setting at the bottom of the page).

Gapless playback works fine for me with the 'Exo' Playback engine. When it is set to 'Native', I experience exactly the same behaviour that you described.

Best Regards
Christian

[quote=Chep post_id=531042 time=1766783317 user_id=119833]
Found this thread after playing a live album and experiencing gaps in between the end of one track and the start of the next. As a test, played back older audio files with audio experiences that are meant to be seamless and found these to also exhibit gaps. Audio playback is set to Gapless. Cross Fade is off. Setting to None makes the silence longer, worse.

MMA 2.1.1.1290
Android 13

Chep
[/quote]Can you please Supply us download link to few files in Support Ticket so that we can investigate?

Found this thread after playing a live album and experiencing gaps in between the end of one track and the start of the next. As a test, played back older audio files with audio experiences that are meant to be seamless and found these to also exhibit gaps. Audio playback is set to Gapless. Cross Fade is off. Setting to None makes the silence longer, worse.

MMA 2.1.1.1290
Android 13

Chep

Hi Rusty, hi Martin!

I just checked the latest beta build 1277 and gapless playback is working normally again.

Many thanks for the fix.

Best regards
Christian

Thanks so much! Tracking at https://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=21770

-Rusty

Hi Rusty,
[quote=rusty post_id=529361 time=1757515320 user_id=182]
Can you let me know if it solves the issue for you as well?
[/quote]
I just updated to Build 1276 and no, the problem has not been solved.

I have now taken the time to document the whole thing in a little more detail.

The "gap" sounds perhaps more like a glitch and is only about 12 ms short. Therefore, it may only be audible under certain circumstances with appropriate music material (e.g. live recordings) and with headphones. But then it's quite good to hear.

In [url=https://c.gmx.net/@1383889459187029671/qUOEzKMk2jbUEvyISloAjg]this screenshot[/url], you can see two stereo audio tracks that I recorded with Audacity from the same section of an album in the transition from one song to the next. The upper blue track was played back with MMA. The marked section is the audible gap. At the bottom of screenshot at "Selection", the lower time is the length of the selection in this case the length of the gap. The lower red track shows the same section in the recording played with foobar2000 Mobile from the same mp3 files. Here, the gap is neither visible nor audible.

I also made two screen recordings, one of MMA and the other of foobar2000 Mobile in which the same section of the same recording was played back. You can clearly hear the gap in the MMA screen recording (headphones may be necessary). To avoid any copyright issues, I will make them available again via a support ticket and post the ticket id here.

Best regards
Christian

PS: Ticket #13738

Hi rusty!

Certainly, no problem.

Best regards
Christian

Hi Christian,

fyi, build 1276 is now rolling out to beta testers and includes a couple of audio-related fixes. I've tested the gapless option (with Exo) and cannot hear any perceptible gap between tracks that are continuous (e.g. some operas).

Can you let me know if it solves the issue for you as well?

Thanks!

-Rusty

Hi everyone,

I hate to say it, but gapless playback is not working properly again in the current build 1274 and with the new Exo playback engine. Admittedly, the "gap" is very very minor but still noticeable and I don't know exactly since which build this has been happening again.

But to be absolutely honest with you I'm pretty fed up with this problem occurring from one MMA build to the next so I've now switched to foobar2000 for album based playback because this app never had a problem with gapless playback on my devices. For the time being, I will only use MMA for synchronising with MMW and playing playlists.

I really hope that the developers will eventually get this problem under control permanently, because MMA would be a really good app if the same problem didn't keep cropping up again and again.

I just wanted to let you know.

Debug Log-ID 7NMTLAQAE7

Best regards
Christian

Hi everyone,

I received the latest build 1268 this morning.

With the new Exo Playback Engine, gapless playback works again as usual.

Many thanks and best regards
Christian

PS: Since the error has not been fixed so far, I would like to ask if one of the forum admins could change the green tick in the topic symbol to the red exclamation mark.

Thank you very much!

[quote=rusty post_id=527558 time=1748037105 user_id=182]
Hi,

We're looking into this... Thanks!

Tracking at https://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=21621

-Rusty
[/quote]

Hello everyone,

I received build 1251 yesterday. Gapless playback still does not work.

Best regards
Christian

Hi,

We're looking into this... Thanks!

Tracking at https://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=21621

-Rusty

Hello everyone,

Since I'm not sure if anyone is still reading [url=https://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=107645&start=18]this[/url] topic, I took the liberty of opening a new one.

Two days ago I received the update from MMA to build 1248. My smartphone has also been updated to Android 15 and One UI 7 at the same day.

And once again, gapless playback no longer works. I measured a gap of 360 to 380 ms with the gapless audio transition activated. Unfortunately, I cannot say which of the updates mentioned above caused the problem.

For me, gapless playback is an essential feature of an audio player and I have to be honest and say that the gapless playback issue with MMA becomes increasingly frustrating and annoying when you have to worry about it being disabled with every update of MMA or the smartphone.

I have created another debug log after switching from one title to another. The log ID is BZYDLYY9J9

Best regards
Christian