MM4: Ok, that's it?

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:15 pm

Lowlander wrote:PS. Stop after current is available in MM3. The UPnP might still be exiting as it now increases playcounts in MediaMonkey, now we're just missing last.fm submissions.

Ahh, I didn't notice that, as DreadM's skin doesn't feature a button for it. But it's in the text menu, thx for the hint!

vpsaxman · Post by **vpsaxman** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:23 pm

If you round up a few images pulled online for a few players, the difference is obvious :

nohitter151 · Post by **nohitter151** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:38 pm

Songbird, iTunes, and Foobar all look nice from the screenshots you posted. But that Zune look is positively awful.

vpsaxman · Post by **vpsaxman** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:09 pm

Nice concept though.

Post by **Lowlander** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:20 pm

I like the Zune design, not the colors though, as it is a very integrated design. WMP is somewhat similar to that integrated design. Besides Foobar all the others look the same as MediaMonkey to me. Foobar does look interesting, but goes against the integrated design I'd like to see (ie blurring the lines between the different window elements).

Dreadlau · Post by **Dreadlau** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:50 pm

Dreadlau wrote: Another example: The Aero frame. Doesn't look very good regarding the titlebar.
(I have some ideas to improve it drastically. I'll make a post about it later.)

Well gege beat me to it and made a post explaining exactly what I was about to suggest!
Here is the link: http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewto ... 91#p283024
This would be a huge improvement in both looks and usability!

vpsaxman wrote:And, Dreadlau, are the skinning functionalities you mention as missing why although iTunes uses an outdated gui it still looks more "polished"?

Yes. Exactly.

vpsaxman · Post by **vpsaxman** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 2:13 pm

Dreadlau wrote:
vpsaxman wrote:And, Dreadlau, are the skinning functionalities you mention as missing why although iTunes uses an outdated gui it still looks more "polished"?
Yes. Exactly.

That's what I thought, thanks!

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:32 pm

From the screenshots, the Zune ones look very nice.

But I doubt it's usable. I want "full control", and my guess is, that the Zune Software is not as usable as MediaMonkey. When listening to music, I keep MediaMonkey in Micro- or Mini-Player Mode. I use my keyboard's media keys to control winamp. Album art is displayed by CAD (Yeah, I was finally able to get it working, though not completely flawless... (In case anybody saw my earlier postings in DreadM's Vision theme Thread))

Form follows function. This is what I want. That was what I liked about WMP. It has a powerfull library. (MediaMonkey is even better, I think) And a neat and clean "Design Mode" where only the cover is displayed.

Sebastian78 · Post by **Sebastian78** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:51 am

vpsaxman wrote:
Dreadlau wrote: People shouldn't have to choose between form and functionality.
They should be able to get both.
If Mediamonkey can win both battles it surely will attract a lot of new users.
I agree with this. People shouldn't have to choose. Still, functionality with GUI limitations is better than the opposite.

As I understand it, the only way to drastically change how MM looks would be to change the whole skinning engine which has to be a pain. But, yeah, skinning should be considered a part of "functionality". I'd love to see something as versatile as foobar design wise.

A more versatile skinning method + a Mac version = MM's world domination.

And, Dreadlau, are the skinning functionalities you mention as missing why although iTunes uses an outdated gui it still looks more "polished"?

My thoughts exactly!

But if something is a pain to change now, it will only get worse as MM becomes more popular or the program becomes more complex. Changing it now, will only help MM become more popular.

Sebastian78 · Post by **Sebastian78** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:57 am

All those other players have a better look or polish to the various elements inside the player. Giving a "better" unified look.

I admit, iTunes is NOT the one to look up to, but it's so simple to use that my 56 year old mother "got it" right away. She can even sync music to her iPhone 4. Give her an Android phone (or an iPod) and MM......don't think so. But this is a bit off topic......

I've said before in several posts....it would be beneficial to have TWO MediaMonkey views, toggled by a button. A) SIMPLE (iTunes'ey, for jukebox function on a widescreen LCD TV og for novices) and B) ADVANCED view with all functions (As now).

rovingcowboy · Post by **rovingcowboy** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:23 am

Sebastian78 wrote:All those other players have a better look or polish to the various elements inside the player. Giving a "better" unified look.

I admit, iTunes is NOT the one to look up to, but it's so simple to use that my 56 year old mother "got it" right away. She can even sync music to her iPhone 4. Give her an Android phone (or an iPod) and MM......don't think so. But this is a bit off topic......

I've said before in several posts....it would be beneficial to have TWO MediaMonkey views, toggled by a button. A) SIMPLE (iTunes'ey, for jukebox function on a widescreen LCD TV og for novices) and B) ADVANCED view with all functions (As now).

i don't think 56 is old? why thats younger then some i know and way younger then the queen of england and i heard she's on facebook, so it shouldn't be hard for your grandma to do it. shucks betty white is 88 and still acting on television. so us older generation can do this stuff after all who do you think invented this stuff. wasn't your generation. i've been on here for simply years. and i know an 84 old man thats been on this web and computers for at least 20 years. why i heard the other month some one in an rest home of 104 years of age is getting her letters in email.
so you really need to up your idea of old.

vpsaxman · Post by **vpsaxman** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:34 am

yeah LOL. Young is the new old!

Sebastian78 · Post by **Sebastian78** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 4:12 am

rovingcowboy wrote:
Sebastian78 wrote:All those other players have a better look or polish to the various elements inside the player. Giving a "better" unified look.

I admit, iTunes is NOT the one to look up to, but it's so simple to use that my 56 year old mother "got it" right away. She can even sync music to her iPhone 4. Give her an Android phone (or an iPod) and MM......don't think so. But this is a bit off topic......

I've said before in several posts....it would be beneficial to have TWO MediaMonkey views, toggled by a button. A) SIMPLE (iTunes'ey, for jukebox function on a widescreen LCD TV og for novices) and B) ADVANCED view with all functions (As now).
i don't think 56 is old? why thats younger then some i know and way younger then the queen of england and i heard she's on facebook, so it shouldn't be hard for your grandma to do it. shucks betty white is 88 and still acting on television. so us older generation can do this stuff after all who do you think invented this stuff. wasn't your generation. i've been on here for simply years. and i know an 84 old man thats been on this web and computers for at least 20 years. why i heard the other month some one in an rest home of 104 years of age is getting her letters in email.
so you really need to up your idea of old.

Ah, shucks.....it's NOT because she's "old", but more that she is technological inept haha. I'm 32 so it's not like I find her old at all haha.

rovingcowboy · Post by **rovingcowboy** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 5:10 am

yep just was thinking that might be a 12 year old i was talking too.

surprised to see twice that age? with a grandma that young.

well at least you still have one. mine are all gone now. seems like they are still here at times. we all have to go at one point in time. i just want mine a long time from now. like maybe 8722 i think that is a long time right?

Onweerwolf · Post by **Onweerwolf** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:46 pm

Could someone explain to me what this means:

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