your talking about adjustments that are made in the library.
monkey will put them in the order you want by the tags.
playlist node in monkey is just to make lists of songs you want to play at anyone time.
like your 80's rock list and a 80's country list. .
but as you said putting the song in certian locations on the playlist does not make sense. unless you only have 8 to 12 songs on that list.
but 1000 songs like you have or 3000 to 12000 like i use. playing the list in order to hear the songs will never get all the songs heard. the use of random or shuffle mode will give the best chance of hearing them.
finding the songs with search in monkey is super fast now. i don't even bother with the certain place in the list for hearing the songs. i do make the list sort to what i want and save it by right clicking on the playlist's name and clicking the update play order.
i do keep my lists in sort of the titles. so any songs i add in to it do go to the bottom of the list.
so super simple to just open the list and click on the header for title to sort them that way and clicking on the update play order again to keep them there.
You're way off base....I mention one scenario, and your solution only fits that one scenario.....the scenario I gave was just an example. There are 100 other scenarios that I use that your solution does not fit. You even mention using your Playlist when playing from MM. That fits YOUR scenario. My Playlists are created in MM and synced to my iPod.
You obviously have different needs and are having troubles understanding ours. I'm not sure why you feel the need to keep dismissing the need for a dedicated Playlist view. If you don't need it....then fine.....Don't use it. No harm, No foul. TAGS and Library Categorizing are not a solution for everything. There's not enough tags available for MM to be able to figure out what I want to fit every mood I'm trying to create, and place it in a song order so that it "feels" right going from one song to the other.
You keep explaining things and assuming alot about how some of us are using our playlists....and you are completely wrong with a lot of your assumptions. With my 80s Rock playlist, I have them in order so I can find them in the playlist quickly....it's not for a play order scenario...IN THAT CASE OF THAT PARTICULAR PLAYLIST. So here's the actual scenario......JUST FOR THAT PLAYLIST. I'm playing the playlist with Shuffle set to on...ON MY IPOD.....I'm playing the songs with a group of friends who like 80s Rock......a friend says, "Hey Red......can you play this song by such and such for me???".....which is usually a request for an 80s Rock song they haven't heard in awhile, and they know that's the style of music we're currently listening to. I say..."Sure".....I scroll through that 1000 song playlist, where I know which way to scroll since they're in alphabetical order by artist and find that song easily and cue it up to play next. Then after that song completes, it goes back to the random shuffle mode of the playlist after that requested song has finished. I never have to leave the playlist and I don't have to sit there with an iPod in hand the entire time, to go back and recue the playlist. So I'm always in that playlist, but can play requested songs. This is all done on my iPod.....I'm not touting around a PC with Win98 on it with software installed on it. I'm touting around my 120GB iPod and plugging it into the nearest Stereo receiver to entertain a group of friends.
Everything is done on my iPod, since it's portable and I can play it wherever I go. Plug it into my car stereo, take it to a friends party, take it outside for a party at my house, take it with me camping, take it on a boat. Do all that with your Win98 and WinXP media box solutions.
I don't need to create 8000 playlists like you do either with the iPod. The iPod has it's own auto organization, so I don't need to create playlists for each specific ALBUM and/or ARTIST. The iPod does that type of playlist sort automatically with the tag information.
I have other playlists created for camping trips, which are smaller than 1000 songs but closer to 100-200 songs in size....Yes, even those when MM adds it to the bottom, is a pain in the azz to drag to a specific position.....and YES, I will listen to those 100-200 songs in order in its entirety, because we're sitting around a camp fire all day while the playlist is playing and the playlist is made to create a specific moods, with peaks and valleys and to transition well from song to song. Everyone's tired from a long day of canooing and we want something laid back, to sit and relax around the camp fire?? Yes...I got a 100 song Playlist to fit that mood. We want to get the party started and draw all the chicks over from the other campsites with a little Hip/Hop Dance mix???? Yeah, I have just the playlist for that, and I have to create a mood for that playlist, so there is a mix of current "Hot" songs...to keep the party moving and a majority of people interested in joining the party. I was on a House boat trip with 8 friends in Kentucky. I played one of my playlists, and within a 1/2 hour there where 5 other house boats tied up to ours with people hoping on board....because the Playlist set a "mood" and others where attracted to it. The point is....you can't Set a "Mood" with Auto Playlists you're creating, no matter how you organize your Tags and Library. If that was the case, there would be no need for DJs at clubs. I'm the designated DJ in my group of friends....but I don't want to be tied to my iPod all night....I want to be socializing with my friends and joining the party. That is successfully done by creating MOOD
specific playlists and updating them on a regular basis, because some times what was "hot" 3 years ago....is "Not" any longer....so do I go back and reorganize my Library and Tags, to remove that particular song from a playlist?? You obviously have no need for this type of thing, and are having troubles understanding the concept....the point is...I do and so do others.